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Post by Tartty Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:51 am

I'm going to hate fighting longbow armies I think Laughing
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Post by Gaius Cassius Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:43 pm

"If decides to try defensive fire no modifier here as the reaction is linked to this later action (charge) of CP. The +1 modifier is when the charging Unit makes 2 or more movement actions to contact due to distance."
Where in Lorenzo's reply does he suggest in your example Tarty that the T unit gets a +1 for the 2nd movement of the CP? T units evade on a normal DT so not a sure thing. But I agree that Longbow is one of the big winners in I2. It was underpowered in the original version in my opinion.
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Post by Tartty Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:59 pm

dadiepiombo wrote:As for the example of CP charging S.

S chooses to evade (as the Player doesn't want to loose his Unit). Evasion is performed, but as CP declared a potential charge, CP can make another attempt.


I'm presuming here that the CP has made a second move to contact? otherwise nothing happens.
In the case I've described the T also gets the +1 modifier in defensive fire for a charger making 2 moves to contact as the T also evaded the first charge move. Presuming as you say he passed his evasion DT in the first place of course  Very Happy

In the 'wash up' of all this for me the BIG one is the ability to defensive fire after evading in the same turn. I'm not disputing it, but it's quiet an important thing to be clear on.

Yep Longbow and any decent T based army are going to benefit from this I agree.
I'd be taking 3x 'Iron Discipline' tactical cards (Re-roll failed DT with a +1 modifier) .....ouch !  Shocked  Razz
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Post by Gaius Cassius Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:44 pm

dadiepiombo wrote:As for the example of CP charging S.
S can choose to evade or as an alternative to stay and try to perform defensive fire (note that the same options are allower for T and FL with shooting capabilities. But also for CM or CL, still with shooting capabilities)

S chooses to evade (as the Player doesn't want to loose his Unit). Evasion is performed, but as CP declared a potential charge, CP can make another attempt.
Now S has still 2 choices. If try to evade will have a -1 modifier as this is the second evasion. If decides to try defensive fire no modifier here as the reaction is linked to this later action (charge) of CP. The +1 modifier is when the charging Unit makes 2 or more movement actions to contact due to distance.


Tarty, I bolded the important section for our discussion. The initial charge movement actions is what causes the +1 to the Defensive Fire Test. If the T evades and the CP in your example then chooses to attempt another potential charge the T unit does not get the +1 bonus in DF. At least, that is how I read Lorenzo's comments.
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Post by Tartty Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:01 am

Ok I see what your saying, you maybe right.
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Post by dadiepiombo Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:14 am

yes, I confirm. The +1 is when the charging Unit charges starting "from the distance" giving more time to the shooter to react.
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