Impetus 2 v Advanced Impetus etc

Hi

One of the main issues I had with original Impetus was that sometimes you had to look in the rule book itself, 'Advanced Impetus' and sometimes the 'Extra Impetus' supplements to find out the rules. Now that Impetus 2 is out I would hope that I now only need to look in the main rule book itself and that any 'rules' in Advanced Impetus and the supplements are now defunct if not in the main rule book.

Is this correct?

Cheers Paul

THIS^

I would subscribe to a "living rules" pdf subscription if Lorenzo would offer it

With some major revisions in Impetus 2 I am imagining the same development track for it as Impetus. Not in any way faulting Lorenzo but it seems inevitable. Had he only wanted to codify the original Impetus then your desire T13A may have been fulfilled. But there are too many new concepts in Impetus 2 for there not to be further updates.

Hi

Thanks for the replies so far.

I am not concerned about any 'further developments' at the moment. I was just looking for confirmation (or otherwise) that as of today I just need to read the rules in the new rule book and that the previously published 'new' rules and amendments in Advanced Impetus and the Extra Impetus books are no longer applicable.

I.e If it's not in the 2nd edition rule book, forget it!

Cheers Paul

Well as AI and all the EI's massively pre-date even conceptual versions of Impetus II, I fail to see how they can be compatible.

You're essentially asking of the optional rules and clarifications from 1ed are officially part of 2ed which seems frankly bizarre to me.

Personally I wouldn't consider anything from AI applicable to Impetus II the only addendum information to date is the 'how to use 1ed lists with 2ed' pdf.

Hi Zippee

I agree with you (although, not the bit about my question being bizarre)

It's obviously not clear to everyone, just see the thread on shieldwalls:

https://impetus.darkbb.com/t1214-impetus-2-shieldwall-rule


Cheers Paul

Actually Zippee I thought T13A was making the same point as you. I agree with your basic point that we need to jetison Impetus, the various special rules in the EI lists and AI. Whatever is going to carryover into Impetus 2 is already in there. If it is not in Impetus 2 that we need to presume that was by design.

Didn't mean to cause offence

I just don't see why we would consider anything from impetus I carries forward.

I have held off commenting on the shieldwall etc for just that reason, I cannot comprehend why someone would be asking if a rule from 1ed applied to 2ed. The answer is self-evident.

I agree it might be nice to have the base question in the OP answered out of courtesy but it barely seems necessary.

Either play Impetus I with or without AI
or play Impetus II
or mix stuff together if you want to

T13A wrote:
Now that Impetus 2 is out I would hope that I now only need to look in the main rule book...

Can't tell you how long we've been waiting for this to happen around here ......sooooo good

I think Zippee the problem is that the EI special rules have been suspended in the two page supplement from Lorenzo except Shieldwall. The difference here is the Shieldwall was updated in AI so its absence is simply the result of the new edition. On this we agree. But I can understand why some would like to see a direct mention of it by Lorenzo.

Agreed, it's a simple enough question to answer, however busy.

With a new edition of Impetus hitting the tables I'd have expected to see much more of an official presence on the forums to answer such things. It's all a bit quiet and that is a little worrisome!

I am surprised by Lorenzo's absence as well. I would have thought he'd be active especially at Impetus 2's launch. This is a big shift in the rules with much potential but still needing his guidance.

I'm sure he'll be on here to clear it up, think he's been busy putting out Reference Sheets, markers, rulers and the Cards for Imp v2.

Think anything to do with old Impetus like AI and EI will be taken down soon, along with the old rules. Grab them while you can is my advice if your still interested.

sorry for absence but these are crazy days, I spend most of the mornings in the post office (yes, to shipo you copie) and preparing the shipping. I have to solve a issue with a courier, release the new issue of Dadi&Piombo, make more copies of Impetus 2 to print (with printer with some more problems) and I am in the middle of the organisation of Milano Wargames that is the biggest show here in Italy (and yes, on my shoulders)

AI no longer exista. AI was just a way to keep Impetus 1 updated. Now with Impetus 2 those parts of AI still with a sense have been merged in the new rulebook. So please remove AI form your files and from your mind.

Until the release of new lists (not planned in a short time) the lists of Extra Impetus (as well as the betas) are the lists to use. In some Extras there are some speciale rules. All these are ok unless they are specifically removed as in the Guide PDF.

Some issues will occour and day by day solved and the PDF updated. If you spot some possible incongruence between Impetus 2 and the lists please mention in the forum. I think we could open a specific thread.

p.s. I had to rewrite this post as my wifi connession expred. Crazy, crazy period

thanks for taking the time to respond Lorenzo.

Appreciate it's a crazy time for you but I can't emphasise enough that perceived absence of input on the forums at the moment of publication will look to many as lack of support and interest.

there needs to be buzz these days.

I agree with Zippee on this. There needs to be activity & content on this forum and the Facebook group, even if you sub it out to friends. Baroque kinda died in my group when it seemed that there was no more support or activity.

If I ever get my copies of I2 in the mail I might be able to add some posts.

sorry but I am one man band :-(

stecal wrote:  Baroque kinda died in my group when it seemed that there was no more support or activity.

Strange how this happens with a set of rules, I've seen it many times

Rules seem to come in and go out of favour so quickly these days.
I must admit it has been disappointing not to see more discussion on the big wargaming forums like TMP about these rules.


I've tried to do my bit as I really enjoy this system. Sadly its not played much at all here in New Zealand.
http://miniatureaddiction.info/impetus-2-solo-run/

I also had issue in entering TMP forum thta I should have solved.

Anyway as I am not a big company at the moment I gave priority to send all orders to customers, and well you are a lot (today I have also solved and issue with a courier that took money from my card but from the website the order was not completed).

Once the "old guard" have the rulebook in hands I will concetrate to reach new players.
A game like Impetus moves in the market more slowly as it is not based on hype but on the word of mouth.

dadiepiombo wrote:
A game like Impetus moves in the market more slowly as it is not based on hype but on the word of mouth.

Think this is very true. The 'hype' seems to be a big part of selling anything in the wargaming world these days.

This is ok I do get all that but what I find annoying is the ability for people to differentiate.

I certainly don't come on this forum to chase people away .....far from it, but this issue has become an epidemic. The constant reassurance needed before anyone can like something ?? ...or more importantly it seems these days SEEN to like something.

This is everywhere now though not just in wargaming.

Sideline story.
I have a family member who sells vintage guitars and comes up agains't this regularly.
He could sell 100s of Gibson SGs as this is the guitar Angus Young plays in ACDC soooo much 'hype' around that. Could have an absolute killer Fender Jaguar for sale at the same time but that's not what Angus plays is it ? Hahaha ....got to have the Gibson !!
He's always telling them " Go and have a play...see if you like it... the Jag might fit you better "?  
Nooo...never works usually they always go for the Gibson hahaha

Isn't it also substantially down to us, the players, to push the rules. Blog entries, posting AAR on forums, demo games at club and larger shows etc etc.

IF you are already doing all this then you can criticise but otherwise - lead by example and you'll help generate the interest.

I do think it might help Impetus to have a big launch. I did finally post on TMP about Impetus 2.

dadiepiombo wrote:Until the release of new lists (not planned in a short time) the lists of Extra Impetus (as well as the betas) are the lists to use.

Does a budget system adaptated for IMPETUS 2 exist or is going to? It would be a good thing IOT adapt the existing lists and beta lists. And also to propose new lists, of course.

Hi All,

Just joined the forum today.I have been on the forum before, but just as an 'observer',looking at the rules questions and answers , especially with the old Impetus rules set.
Now thought I might get involved a bit more, especially with the launch of the new rules set.I haven't played that many games of Impetus, but have liked the concept of large unit bases for figures. It appeals to my modelling instincts, which I love doing as well as wargaming. Have rescaled shield transfers for most of my 15mm Punic War Xyston figures. Friends say I am crazy, but it keeps me happy !!.
Have read through the new rules, and it certainly seems like there is a lot to take in !.
Quite happy to persevere with them though, and make them work.
We are playing our first game tomorrow with the new set, so should be interesting.