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Post by Fat Wally Mon Apr 11, 2016 1:09 pm

Hi,

Does anyone else feel that Massed Horse/Reiters (as in the Parliamentarian list) are incredibly cheap points wise?

Very little penalisation for being massed, and incredibly powerful as written in the rules.

Just my tuppence....

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Post by stecal Mon Apr 11, 2016 2:18 pm

Well, the -1 to checks for discipline for moving hurts, as do penalties for retreat & pursuit. 39pts for what is effectively a 7-1 in melee is probably too cheap though for massed RE. Should be about 45 pts, IMHO.

We are finding that Point Blank Pistol only is the better buy, as you almost never get to fire pistol/carbines at 1 BU.  In 2 games carbines have never been fired.  The fear of causing a reaction charge from the firing  & getting caught at the halt is the problem.  Save the 4 points & skip carbines, not worth it. Carbines cost should probably be lowered.

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Post by Zippee Mon Apr 11, 2016 7:00 pm

A bargain perhaps but not "incredibly cheap".

That said I don't expect any points values to stand up to scrutiny. Do you think guns are worth 10-15-20 points?
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Post by dadiepiombo Wed Apr 13, 2016 12:07 pm

if well used the carbines (and the carcoll) can work. But it was difficult also at the time in the battlefield.
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Post by stecal Wed Apr 13, 2016 2:22 pm

True, there was a reason why the caracole was dropped as a tactic.

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Post by Geoffrm Wed May 18, 2016 3:21 am

I thought massed Reiters would cost either 76 or 86 points depending on their D rating.

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Post by Zippee Wed May 18, 2016 1:35 pm

Massed Reiters are not Impetus style large units - it is a single unit base, so has the same cost as ordinary reiters, adjusted for being Slow
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Post by Geoffrm Fri May 20, 2016 2:05 am

That makes them worth having then.

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Post by dadiepiombo Mon May 23, 2016 8:58 am

massing troops has pros and cons. For reiters usually it is better to mass.
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Post by Geoffrm Tue May 24, 2016 1:10 pm

If you say that your massed Reiters are going to move, shoot and then charge and you opponent then declares an opportunity charge during your initial movement phase are you classed as charging or do you meet them at the halt, or try for a counter charge?

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Post by Zippee Tue May 24, 2016 2:51 pm

During your initial movement action - you count as moving not charging, during your shooting action you count as shooting not charging, during your charge action you count as charging.

It all depends at what point the enemy decide to interrupt you.
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