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Re: 28mm Tournament Sheffield Triples 19th March
It would have been a Wars of Roses Lancastrian army, but I've run out of time to finish making the changes to my old Henry Tudor's outfit. So I'm going to give my Thracians a run out:
Thracians
Poor Command structure, 0
1 Charismatic Gen @40
1 Fair Gen @20
2 x RoD @5
8x exploration @1
Command 1;
1x Noble CM +skirmishers @33 (Charismatic)
2x CL (upgraded to 4/2) @23
2x S Javelins @12
1x S Gymnetes @7
VD=10, break @5
Command 2;
2x CL @21
1x FL (upgraded to 6, Fair Gen + rhomphaia) @28
1x FL (rhomphaia) @22
4x FL @20
2x S Javelins (upgraded to 3) @14
1x S Slings @12
VD=14, break @7
Army VDT=24, break @12
Tony
Thracians
Poor Command structure, 0
1 Charismatic Gen @40
1 Fair Gen @20
2 x RoD @5
8x exploration @1
Command 1;
1x Noble CM +skirmishers @33 (Charismatic)
2x CL (upgraded to 4/2) @23
2x S Javelins @12
1x S Gymnetes @7
VD=10, break @5
Command 2;
2x CL @21
1x FL (upgraded to 6, Fair Gen + rhomphaia) @28
1x FL (rhomphaia) @22
4x FL @20
2x S Javelins (upgraded to 3) @14
1x S Slings @12
VD=14, break @7
Army VDT=24, break @12
Tony
Last edited by Aurelius on Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:10 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : Correct Army VDT)
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Re: 28mm Tournament Sheffield Triples 19th March
Here is Steve Davisons
Normans in Normandy 900-1072
400pts 37VD
Command 1 - 22VD 234pts
C-in-C Expert 30pts
CP (C-in-C) 10 7 4 C 3 29pts
CP 10 6 4 C 3 22pts x5 - 110pts
CM 10 5 2 B 2 23pts
CL 12 3 1 B 1 21pts x2 - 42pts
Command 2 - 15VD 152pts
Fair General 20pts
FP 5 4 1 C 2 12pts x4 48pts
T(Crossbow) 6 3 0 B 1 19pts x2 38pts
T(Archers) 6 3 0 C 1 11pts x2 22pts
S (Javelin) 8 2 0 B 1 12pts x2 24pts
CS Poor opts
4 EPs 4pts
2 DRs 10pts
Normans in Normandy 900-1072
400pts 37VD
Command 1 - 22VD 234pts
C-in-C Expert 30pts
CP (C-in-C) 10 7 4 C 3 29pts
CP 10 6 4 C 3 22pts x5 - 110pts
CM 10 5 2 B 2 23pts
CL 12 3 1 B 1 21pts x2 - 42pts
Command 2 - 15VD 152pts
Fair General 20pts
FP 5 4 1 C 2 12pts x4 48pts
T(Crossbow) 6 3 0 B 1 19pts x2 38pts
T(Archers) 6 3 0 C 1 11pts x2 22pts
S (Javelin) 8 2 0 B 1 12pts x2 24pts
CS Poor opts
4 EPs 4pts
2 DRs 10pts
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Re: 28mm Tournament Sheffield Triples 19th March
I should add mine is due today - it was going to be Hussite but I dropped the nox last night (ouch) so it will be Yorkist
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Re: 28mm Tournament Sheffield Triples 19th March
After my games yesterday I have dropped my Vikings in favour of my Ottoman Army from York comp
Gizasix's OTTOMAN TURKS (1362-1529 AD)
Poor Command Structure
3 Rolls of Destiny
C-in-C's Command
Fair General
4 Janissaries* T (VBU6) Comp bow B @ 33pts ea
1 Turkoman Cavalry CL(VBU4) Comp bow B @27pts ea
1 Azab archers T (VBU4) Comp bow A @13pts
VD 16 Break 8
Second Command
Fair Sub General
1 Siphais Cavalry* CM (VBU6) Comp. bow C @32pts
2 Akinjis Cavalry CL (VBU3) Comp bow B @22pts ea
1 Azab archers T (VBU3) Comp. bow A @11pts
VD 6 Break 3
Third Command
Poor Sub General
1 Siphais Cavalry* CM (VBU6) Comp. bow C @32pts
2 Akinjis Cavalry CL (VBU3) Comp bow B @22pts ea
VD 6 Break 3
Army total 27 Break 14
Total 400pts
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Gizasix's OTTOMAN TURKS (1362-1529 AD)
Poor Command Structure
3 Rolls of Destiny
C-in-C's Command
Fair General
4 Janissaries* T (VBU6) Comp bow B @ 33pts ea
1 Turkoman Cavalry CL(VBU4) Comp bow B @27pts ea
1 Azab archers T (VBU4) Comp bow A @13pts
VD 16 Break 8
Second Command
Fair Sub General
1 Siphais Cavalry* CM (VBU6) Comp. bow C @32pts
2 Akinjis Cavalry CL (VBU3) Comp bow B @22pts ea
1 Azab archers T (VBU3) Comp. bow A @11pts
VD 6 Break 3
Third Command
Poor Sub General
1 Siphais Cavalry* CM (VBU6) Comp. bow C @32pts
2 Akinjis Cavalry CL (VBU3) Comp bow B @22pts ea
VD 6 Break 3
Army total 27 Break 14
Total 400pts
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Hi Guys,
I have moved back to one of my earliest Armies!
I will apologies now for the 'avant-garde' nature of the artillery.
Later Venice 400pt Book 1 p.25
Average Command Structure 12p
3 x DoD 15p
Scouting Points 1p
Command 1 Expert General 30p
1 x CP 8/7/4/B* 3VD 36p
1 x CL 12/4/2/B Stradiots 2VD 21p
2 x T 6/4/0/B Harquebus A 2VD 23p
2 x ART 2/1/0/B Art A 2VD 40p
9/5
Command 2 Fair General 20p
1 x CP 8/6/3/B* 3VD 28p
1 x CL 12/3/1/B Comp bow B 1VD 25p
1 x CL 12/3/0/B Harquebus B 1VD 22p
1 x T 6/4/0/B Comp. Bow A. 1VD 18p
1 x FL 8/4/1/B Mercs. 1VD 16p
7/4
Command 3 Poor Gen. Provisionati 10p
1 x FP 5/5/2/B* Large Unit / Pike 3VD 22p
2 x FP 5/4/2/B Supoort / Pike 2VD 26p 1 x S 8/2/0/B Harquebus B 1VD 16p
8/4
TOTAL VDU 24/12 400Pts
I have moved back to one of my earliest Armies!
I will apologies now for the 'avant-garde' nature of the artillery.
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Later Venice 400pt Book 1 p.25
Average Command Structure 12p
3 x DoD 15p
Scouting Points 1p
Command 1 Expert General 30p
1 x CP 8/7/4/B* 3VD 36p
1 x CL 12/4/2/B Stradiots 2VD 21p
2 x T 6/4/0/B Harquebus A 2VD 23p
2 x ART 2/1/0/B Art A 2VD 40p
9/5
Command 2 Fair General 20p
1 x CP 8/6/3/B* 3VD 28p
1 x CL 12/3/1/B Comp bow B 1VD 25p
1 x CL 12/3/0/B Harquebus B 1VD 22p
1 x T 6/4/0/B Comp. Bow A. 1VD 18p
1 x FL 8/4/1/B Mercs. 1VD 16p
7/4
Command 3 Poor Gen. Provisionati 10p
1 x FP 5/5/2/B* Large Unit / Pike 3VD 22p
2 x FP 5/4/2/B Supoort / Pike 2VD 26p 1 x S 8/2/0/B Harquebus B 1VD 16p
8/4
TOTAL VDU 24/12 400Pts
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Re: 28mm Tournament Sheffield Triples 19th March
And here's mine:
British & Welsh Kingdoms
Poor command structure 0, 3 RoD 15, 10 exploration point.
Command 1 - Fair General 20
1 CP Nobles (*) 10 6 3 B 3 30 30
2 CL - Combrogi 12 3 1 C 1 16 32 Javelin
2 T - Archers 6 3 0 C 1 11 22 Short Bow A
2 FP - Teulu 5 5 1 B 2 21(16) 37 Large Unit Long Spear
2 FP - Saxon 5 4 4 C 2 12 24 Impetuous
2 FP - Saxon 5 4 4 C 1 12(9) 21 Impetuous Large Unit
2 FP - Combrogi 5 5 1 C 2 16(12) 28 Large Unit Long Spear
Total VD 19 Breaks on 10.
Command 2 - Fair General 20
1 CM - Teulu (*) 10 5 2 B 3 23 23
1 CM - Teulu 10 5 2 B 2 23 23
2 T - Archers 6 3 0 C 1 11 22 Short Bow A
2 S - Javelinmen 8 2 0 C 1 7 14 Javelin
2 FL - Scots Iirish 8 4 2 B 1 20 40 Javelin
2 FL - Scots Iirish 8 4 2 C 1 10(
18 Impetuous Large Unit
Total VD 13 Breaks on 7.
British & Welsh Kingdoms
Poor command structure 0, 3 RoD 15, 10 exploration point.
Command 1 - Fair General 20
1 CP Nobles (*) 10 6 3 B 3 30 30
2 CL - Combrogi 12 3 1 C 1 16 32 Javelin
2 T - Archers 6 3 0 C 1 11 22 Short Bow A
2 FP - Teulu 5 5 1 B 2 21(16) 37 Large Unit Long Spear
2 FP - Saxon 5 4 4 C 2 12 24 Impetuous
2 FP - Saxon 5 4 4 C 1 12(9) 21 Impetuous Large Unit
2 FP - Combrogi 5 5 1 C 2 16(12) 28 Large Unit Long Spear
Total VD 19 Breaks on 10.
Command 2 - Fair General 20
1 CM - Teulu (*) 10 5 2 B 3 23 23
1 CM - Teulu 10 5 2 B 2 23 23
2 T - Archers 6 3 0 C 1 11 22 Short Bow A
2 S - Javelinmen 8 2 0 C 1 7 14 Javelin
2 FL - Scots Iirish 8 4 2 B 1 20 40 Javelin
2 FL - Scots Iirish 8 4 2 C 1 10(
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Total VD 13 Breaks on 7.
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Re: 28mm Tournament Sheffield Triples 19th March
Apologies for the delay. As I mentioned earlier the Hussites were dropped in their box so are "unavailable", so as a fallback it is going to be Richard III
Richard III Yorkist
Average Command Structure 12
3 Rolls of Destiny (all Bad)
1 Exploration Point (More than the Bosworth Battlefield Trust who built their museum on the wrong site!)
Command 1
Richard III Charismatic but Misunderstood
1 x CP King & Retinue* 46 \ 3
2 x CP Other Nobles 56 \ 6
2 x CL Border Staves 36 \ 2
VDT 11 Break 6
Command 2
Average General (Damn your inevitable Treachery!)
1 x FP Dismounted MAA* 25 / 3
1 x FP Retinue Billmen 19 / 2
5 x T Retinue Archers (Longbow A) 115 / 10
1 x Art B Light Artillery 15 / 1
VDT 16 Break 8
Army VDT 27 Break 14
Richard III Yorkist
Average Command Structure 12
3 Rolls of Destiny (all Bad)
1 Exploration Point (More than the Bosworth Battlefield Trust who built their museum on the wrong site!)
Command 1
Richard III Charismatic but Misunderstood
1 x CP King & Retinue* 46 \ 3
2 x CP Other Nobles 56 \ 6
2 x CL Border Staves 36 \ 2
VDT 11 Break 6
Command 2
Average General (Damn your inevitable Treachery!)
1 x FP Dismounted MAA* 25 / 3
1 x FP Retinue Billmen 19 / 2
5 x T Retinue Archers (Longbow A) 115 / 10
1 x Art B Light Artillery 15 / 1
VDT 16 Break 8
Army VDT 27 Break 14
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Re: 28mm Tournament Sheffield Triples 19th March
Interesting mix both of armies and structures - Am I detecting a drift towards 3 Commands ?> - I would have done so but couldn't get the troop balance right so went for KISS
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Re: 28mm Tournament Sheffield Triples 19th March
Here's James Irvins list
EIR CS:Average: 12
Command 1 :152 VD:12
General:20
4x Legionnaires: 132
Command 2 :112 VD:9
General 20
4x Auxillia: 92
Command 3 : 89 VD:9
General 20
3x Equites: 69
Extras:
3x ROD: 15
Artillery upgrade: 15
5x Exploration : 5
Total Points: 400
Total VD:30
Break Point 15VD
EIR CS:Average: 12
Command 1 :152 VD:12
General:20
4x Legionnaires: 132
Command 2 :112 VD:9
General 20
4x Auxillia: 92
Command 3 : 89 VD:9
General 20
3x Equites: 69
Extras:
3x ROD: 15
Artillery upgrade: 15
5x Exploration : 5
Total Points: 400
Total VD:30
Break Point 15VD
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Re: 28mm Tournament Sheffield Triples 19th March
Cyrus The Adequate wrote:Apologies for the delay. As I mentioned earlier the Hussites were dropped in their box so are "unavailable", so as a fallback it is going to be Richard III
Richard III Yorkist
Average Command Structure 12
3 Rolls of Destiny (all Bad)
1 Exploration Point (More than the Bosworth Battlefield Trust who built their museum on the wrong site!)
Command 1
Richard III Charismatic but Misunderstood
1 x CP King & Retinue* 46 \ 3
2 x CP Other Nobles 56 \ 6
2 x CL Border Staves 36 \ 2
VDT 11 Break 6
Command 2
Average General (Damn your inevitable Treachery!)
1 x FP Dismounted MAA* 25 / 3
1 x FP Retinue Billmen 19 / 2
5 x T Retinue Archers (Longbow A) 115 / 10
1 x Art B Light Artillery 15 / 1
VDT 16 Break 8
Army VDT 27 Break 14
Maybe it's just me but I sense flank march nastiness...
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Re: 28mm Tournament Sheffield Triples 19th March
Leighs list - hes waiting for admins to authorise his account here
Caledonians 400pts – List 13 Book 2
Poor Command Structure 0p
3 x R o D 15p
Exploration Points 10p
Command 1 Charasmatic General 40pts
1 x Veteran FL 8/5/4/C/3VD = 16pts
4 x Veteran FL 8/5/4/C/2VD = 64pts
2 x FL 8/4/4/C/2VD = 24pts
7 x FL 8/4/4/C/2VD = 63pts
29/15
Command 2 Fair General 20pts
1 x Veteran FL 8/5/4/C/3VD = 16pts
4 x Veteran FL 8/5/4/C/2VD = 64pts
1 x FL 8/4/4/C/2VD = 12pts
6 x FL 8/4/4/C/2VD = 54pts
25/13
Army Demoralisation = 54
Army Break Point = 27
Caledonians 400pts – List 13 Book 2
Poor Command Structure 0p
3 x R o D 15p
Exploration Points 10p
Command 1 Charasmatic General 40pts
1 x Veteran FL 8/5/4/C/3VD = 16pts
4 x Veteran FL 8/5/4/C/2VD = 64pts
2 x FL 8/4/4/C/2VD = 24pts
7 x FL 8/4/4/C/2VD = 63pts
29/15
Command 2 Fair General 20pts
1 x Veteran FL 8/5/4/C/3VD = 16pts
4 x Veteran FL 8/5/4/C/2VD = 64pts
1 x FL 8/4/4/C/2VD = 12pts
6 x FL 8/4/4/C/2VD = 54pts
25/13
Army Demoralisation = 54
Army Break Point = 27
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Re: 28mm Tournament Sheffield Triples 19th March
Granicus Gaugamela wrote:
Maybe it's just me but I sense flank march nastiness...
I suspect you dont play enough competition games
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It is true the C-in Cs command could provide a really nasty flank march, but if that is the prime function it is seriously overweight. At 400 pts you could achieve almost as much damage \ disruption by just sending a single Expert General with a 6-3 or 7-4 CP on its own, at a fraction of the cost, ie 66 points compared to 178. One CP hitting the flank or rear can spell disaster. If anything I think this is the weakness of current Flank March rules, there probably should be a minimum size in VD as a % of the total army VD to prevent abuse (I am one of the abusers)
I'm not ruling it out of course
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Re: 28mm Tournament Sheffield Triples 19th March
Getting ready for Saturday so I thought I'd better get the Romans out. Now my "hobby area" is a 6x2 mdf board used as a painting desk that can be cleared to play games on. It is supported by 3 storage crates stacked at each end with firther crates on top. Now would anyone like to hazard a guess as to whete the Romans are??
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Re: 28mm Tournament Sheffield Triples 19th March
You actually know where your figures are ?? Panicking looking for my Late Roman base camp !! Hopefully find it for Saturday ........
Ken what is the plan on the day - will you do a draw for the first round in advance? Matt, Tony and I are all coming up in one car, as a group Tony and I play each other quite regularly and also Matt and I, if you are considering that factor.
Otherwise looking forward to the day. Love the Caledonian list - is that the highest number of VD points possible in a 400 point list - I make it 13 large blocks of FL !!
Cheers Jez
Ken what is the plan on the day - will you do a draw for the first round in advance? Matt, Tony and I are all coming up in one car, as a group Tony and I play each other quite regularly and also Matt and I, if you are considering that factor.
Otherwise looking forward to the day. Love the Caledonian list - is that the highest number of VD points possible in a 400 point list - I make it 13 large blocks of FL !!
Cheers Jez
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Re: 28mm Tournament Sheffield Triples 19th March
I will do he draw in advance and post here, with the usual attempts to keep everyone apart from their clubmates
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Re: 28mm Tournament Sheffield Triples 19th March
The Draw
The lovely Mrs Cyrus has drawn the first round matches, and here they are:
John vs Paul
Jez vs Steve I
Colin vs Ken
Matt vs James
Tony vs Leigh
Stephen vs Mark
Hope that helps keep regular opponents apart (I did note Paul & John drawn against each other again - I think that's 3 times in 3 competitions)
The lovely Mrs Cyrus has drawn the first round matches, and here they are:
John vs Paul
Jez vs Steve I
Colin vs Ken
Matt vs James
Tony vs Leigh
Stephen vs Mark
Hope that helps keep regular opponents apart (I did note Paul & John drawn against each other again - I think that's 3 times in 3 competitions)
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Re: 28mm Tournament Sheffield Triples 19th March
I've been drawn against Leigh again!
Is it my imagination or are there some typo's in Paul's list? Command 1 I suspect a Regular Archer should be a Regular foot. Also command 1 is greater than 60%
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Is it my imagination or are there some typo's in Paul's list? Command 1 I suspect a Regular Archer should be a Regular foot. Also command 1 is greater than 60%
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Re: 28mm Tournament Sheffield Triples 19th March
Aurelius wrote:I've been drawn against Leigh again!![]()
Is it my imagination or are there some typo's in Paul's list? Command 1 I suspect a Regular Archer should be a Regular foot. Also command 1 is greater than 60%![]()
Errrr.......<shuffles feet, looks embarrassed >....ooops
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fixed, move along nothing to see here
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Re: 28mm Tournament Sheffield Triples 19th March
See - the value of openness and peer review :-)
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Re: 28mm Tournament Sheffield Triples 19th March
Final Scores (drumroll!)
Colin Brewer - Late Venetian 296
Paul Davison – Korean 263
Stephen Davison – Norman 248
Mark Hadman – Ottoman 234
James Irvin - Early Imperial Roman 229
Jez Todd - Late Roman 225
Tony Dennis – Thracian 165
Steve Irvin - Mid Republican Roman 156
Leigh Brewster – Caledonian 138
Matt Todd – Russian 106
Ken Natt - Richard III Yorkist 102
John Ryan - British & Welsh Kingdoms 60
Congrats to Colin, and thanks to everyone for turning out
Cheers
Ken
Colin Brewer - Late Venetian 296
Paul Davison – Korean 263
Stephen Davison – Norman 248
Mark Hadman – Ottoman 234
James Irvin - Early Imperial Roman 229
Jez Todd - Late Roman 225
Tony Dennis – Thracian 165
Steve Irvin - Mid Republican Roman 156
Leigh Brewster – Caledonian 138
Matt Todd – Russian 106
Ken Natt - Richard III Yorkist 102
John Ryan - British & Welsh Kingdoms 60
Congrats to Colin, and thanks to everyone for turning out
Cheers
Ken
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Re: 28mm Tournament Sheffield Triples 19th March
second the congrats to Colin....well played. Venetian one of my fav lists too
and my apologises to John..it was me that made up the Brits and Welsh beta list...blame me for it all
all the best
and my apologises to John..it was me that made up the Brits and Welsh beta list...blame me for it all
all the best
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Re: 28mm Tournament Sheffield Triples 19th March
I've had computer problems for a week or so, seems settled now.
I just wanted to thank Ken for his organising this competition.
Thanks to all for fun games as always.
Colin B.
I just wanted to thank Ken for his organising this competition.
Thanks to all for fun games as always.
Colin B.
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