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Post by jorneto Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:11 pm

This list covers the toltecs up to the destruction of their capital Tollan.

Toltec 900-1170AD
CS=Average(12 Pts)
____Type Name_______________________M VBU I D VD Weapon Special Pts
1-6__FL Coyote and Jaguar Military Orders__8 5 3 B 3 Heavy Javelin 25
or up to 1/3 deployed FL Coyote and Jaguar Military Orders 8 5 4 B 3 Heavy Javelin 26
4-12_FL Warriors______________________8 4 1 B 1 Heavy Javelin 19
or up to 1/2 deployed FL Warriors_________8 5 2 B 2 Heavy Javelin 24
3-12_S Skirmishers____________________8 2 0 B 1 Javelin 12
or___S Skirmishers____________________8 2 0 B 1 Sling 12
0-12_FL Otomi________________________8 4 1 C 1 11
or up to 1/3 deployed FL Otomi___________8 4 4 C 2 Impetuous 12
0-16_FL Subject Warriors________________8 4 1 C 1 11
0-12_S Peasants______________________8 2 0 C 1 Javelin 7
or___S Peasants______________________8 2 0 C 1 Sling 7
0-8__T Chichimec Archers_______________6 3 0 C 1 Short bow A 11
or up to 1/2 deployed T Chichimec Archers__6 4 0 C 1 Short bow A 13
0-6__S Chichimec Skirmishers____________8 2 0 C 1 Short bow B 7

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Post by Jim Webster Sun Oct 11, 2015 6:34 am

The army list seems a bit fussy. Would it be better to put your upgrades for the Military orders and Warriors at the bottom in the notes?

With the Otomi I'd just go for
o-4 Otomi mercenaries 8 4 4 C 2 Impetuous 12

At what point did the Toltecs start using a lot of bows or is that after the destruction ?
It's just a lot of army lists are actually Toltec-Chinantec
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Post by jorneto Sun Oct 11, 2015 4:30 pm

The army list seems a bit fussy. Would it be better to put your upgrades for the Military orders and Warriors at the bottom in the notes?
Done. All upgrades moved to notes and options.

With the Otomi I'd just go for
o-4 Otomi mercenaries 8 4 4 C 2 Impetuous 12
Why? Perhaps including the "normal" Otomi in the Subject warriors entry?

At what point did the Toltecs start using a lot of bows or is that after the destruction ?
It's just a lot of army lists are actually Toltec-Chinantec
It seems they never used bows. Only some of the subjects and allies like the chichimec did.

Toltec 900-1170AD
CS=Average(12 Pts)
____Type Name_______________________M VBU I D VD Weapon Special Pts
1-6__FL Coyote and Jaguar Military Orders__8 5 3 B 3 Heavy Javelin 25
4-12_FL Warriors______________________8 4 1 B 1 Heavy Javelin 19
3-12_S Skirmishers____________________8 2 0 B 1 Javelin 12
or___S Skirmishers____________________8 2 0 B 1 Sling 12
0-12_FL Otomi________________________8 4 1 C 1 11
0-16_FL Subject Warriors________________8 4 1 C 1 11
0-12_S Peasants______________________8 2 0 C 1 Javelin 7
or___S Peasants______________________8 2 0 C 1 Sling 7
0-8__T Chichimec Archers_______________6 3 0 C 1 Short bow A 11
0-6__S Chichimec Skirmishers____________8 2 0 C 1 Short bow B 7

Notes and options:
Up to 1/3 of deployed FL Coyote and Jaguar Military Orders can be upgraded to 8 5 4 B 3 Heavy Javelin for 26 pts.
Up to 1/2 of deployed FL Warriors can be upgraded to 8 5 2 B 2 Heavy Javelin for 24 pts.
Up to 1/3 of deployed FL Otomi can be upgraded to 8 4 4 C 2 Impetuous for 12 pts.
Up to 1/2 of deployed T Chichimec Archers can be upgraded to 6 4 0 C 1 Short bow A for 13 pts.

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Post by Jim Webster Sun Oct 11, 2015 6:10 pm

With the Otomi the only ones that seem to get noticed are those who we model as warband, and as the others are identical to the subjects and are not compulsory I'd just lose them in there.
But 'warband' Otomi do seem to be present in reasonable numbers so up to 4 allows for that. It's two deep units
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Post by jorneto Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:41 pm

Agreed.

Toltec 900-1170AD
CS=Average(12 Pts)
____Type Name_______________________M VBU I D VD Weapon Special Pts
1-6__FL Coyote and Jaguar Military Orders__8 5 3 B 3 Heavy Javelin 25
4-12_FL Warriors______________________8 4 1 B 1 Heavy Javelin 19
3-12_S Skirmishers____________________8 2 0 B 1 Javelin 12
or___S Skirmishers____________________8 2 0 B 1 Sling 12
0-4__FL Otomi________________________8 4 4 C 2 Impetuous 12
0-20_FL Subject Warriors________________8 4 1 C 1 11
0-12_S Peasants______________________8 2 0 C 1 Javelin 7
or___S Peasants______________________8 2 0 C 1 Sling 7
0-8__T Chichimec Archers_______________6 3 0 C 1 Short bow A 11
0-6__S Chichimec Skirmishers____________8 2 0 C 1 Short bow B 7

Notes and options:
Up to 1/3 of deployed FL Coyote and Jaguar Military Orders can be upgraded to 8 5 4 B 3 Heavy Javelin for 26 pts.
Up to 1/2 of deployed FL Warriors can be upgraded to 8 5 2 B 2 Heavy Javelin for 24 pts.
Up to 1/2 of deployed T Chichimec Archers can be upgraded to 6 4 0 C 1 Short bow A for 13 pts.

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