Zone of control

Still not 100% sure if units exactly 1H apart if they are treated is in each others ZOC. This must be common particularly if after a melee one unit retreats 1H and the other fails to pursue. If treated as in ZOC who ever charges next the othet unit would not be able to counter charge is this correct. Eric

1H exactly is within the ZOC of the another unit. Same with retreats and pursuits. If a unit retreats 1H and the pursuer follows up 1H the pursuer contacts the retreating unit.

So if you unit charges another at exactly 1H no counter charge allowed as within zone of control is that right.

Reading the Counter Charge section again I would say that a unit could counter charge exactly at 1H. The counter-charge diagram states unit X cannot counter charge because it is "less that IH away" from the charging unit at the start of the charge. Knowing how Lorenzo writes rules I take this instruction literally.

Thats exactly how we've been playing it but based on earliet replies being exactly 1H apart could generate a reation if shot at ie opportunity charge. So at 1H out of Zoc for counter charge purposes but in for othet reations. Is tnis correct sorry to keep on just trying to get it right. Eric

I am not sure what you are getting at ejc.

Yes that's interesting. So Eric if I understand you correctly your asking?
A unit that is 1H away from an enemy unit (eg because it retreated) can be counter charged (if it's charged again) because there is exactly 1H between them. Therefore the reacting unit has enough space to move its 1H to countercharge.
If in the same case the enemy unit doesn't countercharge but shoots instead can you react with a opportunity charge because the enemy unit is 1H away which is on the edge of the ZOC.

Reading the rules I would have thought no to the opportunity charge as the enemy is not in your ZOC just touching it's edge. But generally I get it wrong so keen to hear how others play this rule.

Thanks Gaius and Roundie. My previous posting wasnt very clear bur Roundies has stated muy thoughts exactly. Wneh i raised this point earlie Gaius replied on the 14 march thst under these circumstances at 1H if unit of T fired the target could react ie in ZOC. This lead me to wonder could a unit countercharge if charged if deemed to be in zone of control. It may be the wrong answer but easier to say out of Zoc at 1H. Eric

Hopefully Lorenzo will speak to this but I think 1H is 1H. ZOC extends to exactly 1H. To be outside the ZOC is to be more than 1H. The notes on countercharge, as I mentioned above, say "less than 1H" in an example of a unit not being able to do so.

Yes I agree Gaius a countercharge is possible, but (rightly or wrongly) I still think no to opportunity charges. 4.1.4 states If an enemy makes one of the following actions in the ZOC
Shoot, Wheel, move sideways etc
Then the unit with the ZOC can always react.

5.7.3 Opportunity charges
This reaction can only be used if the ZOC has been violated

I don't see how you can be classed as both 1H away so an enemy base has the room to countercharge you while also being within 1H (violating zoc) so they can also opportunity charge you.

Like you say one for Lorenzo I think

Interestingly, if the notes in the picture on p.30 didn't say "less than" then I would have said that countercharges must be over 1H (if only by a fraction.) That is, the charging unit must be able to move, if only a fraction of distance. I don't see how the ZOC doesn't go up to 1H line.

Interestingly if the countetcharge is allowed the charges dont actually move. I have no problem wiith this as realise its the gaming mechanism. I wonder if some of the confusion arises because the rules are translated which could give a bit of ambiguity.

Yes, 1H is 1H. The idea is that the ZoC extends up to 1H and the countercharge is forbidden if you have an enemy at 1H.

Thank you now clear