Reprise of the Marian List

I've agreed to assist Lorenzo in getting some of the proposed Beta Lists finalized and approved on the Forum. Dennis Maxentius did some initial good work on the Marian list and I updated it to include agreed upon changes and fix a few small pointing issues. Please feel free to offer further comments and criticism on this list so that we can get it approved and included in the Beta lists. I see this as part of larger project to assist in getting the foundation prepared for Impetus 2. It will be easier for Lorenzo to get comprehensive book of lists completed if he can draw from the Beta lists as a starting point.

MARIAN'S LATE REPUBLICAN ROMANS (105-25 BC). -
Vol. 6
CS = Good (20 pts)
Nr Type M VBU I D VD Pts Notes
0-2 CM - Italians, Gauls, Spanish 10 4 2 B 2 19
0-2 CL - Numidian, Spanish, Thracian, Illyrian 12 3 1 B 1 21 Javelin
0-1 CL - Syrian Horse Archers 12 3 0 B 1 22 Comp Bow B
5 – 12 FP - Legionaries 5 6 2 B 3 28 Pilum
0-1 FP - Gladiators 5 5 1 C 2 16
0-4 FL - Spanish, Illyrian, Ligurian Auxilliaries 8 4 1 B 2 19 Javelin
0-2 FL - Rhaetian, Thracian Auxilliaries 8 4 2 B 2 20 Javelin
0-6 S - German, Numidian, Greek or Spanish Javelinmen 8 2 0 B 1 12 Javelin
OR S - Baleric, Greek, Numidian Slingers 8 2 0 B 1 12 Sling
OR S - Numidian, Syrian, Gallic or Greek Archers 8 2 0 B 1 12 Short Bow B
0-1 S - Cretan Archers 8 3 0 B 1 14 Short Bow B
0-1 EL - African Elephants 8 4 4 C 1 17
0-2 ART - Scorpio, Baliistae 3 1 0 B 1 15 Art B
0-6 FOR - Field Fortifications, Ditch and bank for Camp 0 0 0 0 0 5 Permanent Fortifications
Only before 80 BC - Velites 0-1 per 2 Legionaries
0-1 S - Velites 8 2 0 B 1 12 Javelin
Only for the Alliance of Cassius and Brutus in 42 BC
1 – 4 CL - Eastern or Thracian Horse Archers 12 3 0 B 1 22 Comp Bow B
0-2 T - Eastern Foot Archers 6 4 0 B 1 14 Short Bow B
NOTES AND OPTIONS.
You can downgrade one or more Legionary Units to VBU=5, I=1, D=C. New cost is 16pts per unit.
You can upgrade one or more CM Units to VBU=5. New cost is 23pts per unit.
You can upgrade one or more javelin armed CL Units to VBU=4. New cost is 23pts per unit.
You can upgrade up to 50% of the deployed FL Units to VBU=5. New cost is 20pts per unit.
You can upgrade one or more S Units to VBU=3. New cost is 14pts per unit.
Elephants and horse archers cannot be used in the same army.

Each Fortification covers the frontage of one Unit

Marc Antony's army in the Parthian War? Or is that the generic "Eastern"?

You can upgrade one or more S Units to VBU=3. New cost is 14pts per unit

really? I would limit this to maybe just the velites

Not sure how the 2nd Triumvirate should be handled (perhaps a different list?)

I think Dennis took the upgrade for all S from the Caesar's Romans in the Impetus rules. Probably a bit generous to allow this.

You can always use the dreaded "up to half of...".

I believe there was an emphasis on the use and training of slingers in the Parthian campaigns as an anti-cavalry tactic. That would appear to justify some upgrading.

It was a very ad-hoc period.

Very nice a good Marian list is desperately needed

Shouldn't there be an option for the Mithridatic Wars allowing allies of Bithynian, Greeks, & Galatian mercenaries for the Romans

I've asked starkadder to take Dennis' work and refine the list further. Hopefully Rex will provide us with something to review in the near future.

The 50% FL upgrade - does that trigger replacing the Jav w Hvy Jav?

Suggest only applies to Spanish and does not trigger Hvy Jav

Cyrus The Adequate wrote:The 50% FL upgrade - does that trigger replacing the Jav w Hvy Jav?

Suggest only applies to Spanish and does not trigger Hvy Jav

I would agree with that. I am writing something up at the minute. Be prepared to be bored.