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Post by Colin B Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:00 pm

Hi There I did say I might have to get back to you all.

Firstly can someone confirm that it is a 400 pt army lists, I have been studying for 350 pts but now reading the above posts it may well be 400 pts?

I'm pretty sure that the max / mins are to be halved as from Kens previous post.

I will rebalance.

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Post by Eddie Longshanks Thu Jan 28, 2016 8:22 pm

Colin B wrote:Hi There I did say I might have to get back to you all.

Firstly can someone confirm that it is a 400 pt army lists, I have been studying for 350 pts but now reading the above posts it may well be 400 pts?

I'm pretty sure that the max / mins are to be halved as from Kens previous post.

I will rebalance.

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Yes its 400 points, Lorenzo wants us to try it out, 1/2 minimums , full maximums.

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Post by Colin B Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:56 pm

OK thank, and I'm working on trying to work out what to use!

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Post by Cyrus The Adequate Fri Jan 29, 2016 9:31 pm

Ok here's my list for York

Cyrus the Adequate’s Early Achaemenid Persian
Average Command Structure
3 Rolls of Destiny

Cavalry Command
Expert General (The Brother in Law)
3 Persian Cavalry CM* (VBU5) 26pts ea
3 Scythian Cavalry CM (VBU4) 24pts ea
1 Scythed Chariot 7 pts
VD 13 Break 7

Infantry Command
Average General (Cin C) (Cyrus Himself)
2 Double ranked A class Immortals* T (46pts ea)
2 Double ranked Sparabara T (30pts ea
1 Egyptian Marines FL
VD 17 Break 9
Army total 30 Break 15
Total 400pts

Anyone see any glitches?

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Could all competitors post theirs for peer review \ scrutiny before Sunday please
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Post by Cyrus The Adequate Fri Jan 29, 2016 9:33 pm

Here's James' Early Imperial Roman

EIR
Legion I
Veteran Legionaires 34 34
Auxillia 23 57
Equites Alares 23 80
General (charismatic) 40 120

Legion II
Veteran Legionaires 34 34
Auxillia 23 57
Equites Alares 23 80
General 10 90

Legion III
Veteran Legionaires 34 34
Auxillia 23 57
Equites Alares 23 80
General 10 90

Legion IV
Veteran Legionaires 34 34
Auxillia 23 57
Gladiators 20 77
General 10 87

Command structure Average 12 399

Exploration x1 1 400
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Post by Colin B Sun Jan 31, 2016 12:10 am

after long and deep consideration I have settled on the below. I dabbled with Axtec and Republican Roman but having worked so hard on paining a Theban Army I have settled on the following.

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1x FP Sacred Band 33
1 x FP Sacred Band 20
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Post by Colin B Sun Jan 31, 2016 12:27 am

after long and deep consideration I have settled on the below. I dabbled with Aztec and Republican Roman but having worked so hard on paining a Theban Army I have settled on the following.

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C in C .... Charismatic

1x FP Sacred Band                          33
1 x FP Sacred Band  Support            20
1 x FP Generals Phalanx                   28
2 x FP Generals Phalanx support 17  34
1 X FL Thracians                              20
1 x SK Sling                                     12
1 x CM Cav. + Hamapippoi                26

Sub  Fair

1 x FP Generals Phalanx*                 28
2 x FP Generals Phalanx support 17  34
1 x FP Mercenary Hoplites                22
1 x FP Merc. Support                        17        
1 X FL Thracians                              20
1 x SK Javelin                                 12  

3 x ROD                                          15
Exploration                                        7
Command costs                                72  

                                                  400      

I hope it's all OK!

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Post by JR2 Sun Jan 31, 2016 12:14 pm

1297 all over again!

Here is my list:

Feudal Scots

Command 1 - Poor General

1 X FP Schiltron with General 27
4 X FP Schiltron 84
4 X T Archers 44
2 X FP Peasants 14
VD 27, break on 14

Command 2 - Charismatic General

2 X CP Nobles 58
3 X T Highlander 51
1 X S Archers 12
1 X FP Peasants 7
1 X FP Islemen 14
2 X FL Ribauld 24
VD 18, break on 9

3 Rolls of Destiny 15

Total 400pts.Army VD 45 break on 23. Please check me - not used to big numbers like 400!

Look forward to seeing everyone Sunday

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Post by Eddie Longshanks Sun Jan 31, 2016 3:30 pm

Here's mine.

Yi Dynasty Korean
Average CS                                           12
2 rolls of Destiny                                   10
1x Exploration point                                1

Command 1

Expert General CiC                               30
2x Guard Cavalry CP Sub                        76
3x Light Cavalry CL                                75
VDT = 9 break 5

Command 2
Average General Sub                              20
2x Regular foot (D=B) CiC                      46
2x Regular Archer (D=B)                        36
2x Regular Foot (D=C)                           38
2x Regular Archer (D=C)                        26
2x Light Artillery                                    30
                                              Total = 400
VDT= 19 Break=10

Army VDT=28 break=14


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Post by Aurelius Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:30 pm

Charles the Bold at York:

Burgundian Ordonnance 1471-77

Expert C-in-C, Fair Sub = 50
Average Command @ 12, 2 x ROD, 1 Exploration = 23

Command 1
2 x Ordonnance MAA = 72
1 x Mounted Xbow = 18
1 x large unit Pike / Longbow = 34
2 x skirmisher Xbow = 24
1 x Light Art = 15
VDT 14, break at 7.

Command 2
1 x large unit Ordonnance pike (3 deep) = 47
1 x large unit Flemmish pike (3 deep) = 34
1 x large unit pike / longbow = 34
2 x T handgunners = 28
1 x T Xbows = 21
VDT 21, break at 10.5.

Army VDT 35, break at 17.5.


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Post by jeztodd Mon Feb 01, 2016 2:18 pm

Good luck for York everyone. Think posting lists is the way to go for competitions in the UK this year and makes interesting reading even if you are not playing in the contest.

See John is going for the maximum number of figures deployed in a 400 point army?

Obviously I will be routing for the local Warwickshire entrant Tony and his Burgundian army!

Cheers Jez

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Post by gizasix Thu Feb 04, 2016 4:49 pm

here's my list for York

Gizasix's OTTOMAN TURKS (1362-1529 AD)
Poor Command Structure
3 Rolls of Destiny

C-in-C's Command
Fair General
4 Janissaries* T (VBU6) Comp bow B @ 33pts ea
1 Turkoman Cavalry CL(VBU4) Comp bow B @27pts ea
1 Azab archers T (VBU4) Comp bow A @13pts
VD 16 Break 8

Second Command
Fair Sub General
1 Siphais Cavalry* CM (VBU6) Comp. bow C @32pts
2 Akinjis Cavalry CL (VBU3)  Comp bow B @22pts ea
1 Azab archers T (VBU3) Comp. bow A @11pts
VD 6 Break 3

Third Command
Poor Sub General
1 Siphais Cavalry* CM (VBU6) Comp. bow C @32pts
2 Akinjis Cavalry CL (VBU3)  Comp bow B @22pts ea
VD 6 Break 3

Army total 27 Break 14
Total 400pts

Sorry for Delay but have been wargaming Monday and Last night Very Happy  Very Happy  Very Happy  
any probs let me Know

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Post by Cyrus The Adequate Thu Feb 04, 2016 6:23 pm

Quick clarification - one of the players asked me about placing BUAs as the "new" Advanced was silent. Lorenzo has confirmed that the situation remains as before - the attacker can dice to place (5+) and the defender can choose to burn \ garrison as per main rules
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Post by Colin B Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:50 pm

I had a practice tonight (Johns Scots are very hard to beat..... encourage him to roll 3 x 6's on general Cohesion tests!) and realised I had to move a unit to make the VD's balance.

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SC Average

C in C .... Charismatic

1x FP Sacred Band 33
1 x FP Sacred Band Support 20
1 x FP Generals Phalanx 28
2 x FP Generals Phalanx support 17 34
1 X FL Thracians 20
1 x SK Sling 12

VD 13 break on 7

Sub Fair

1 x FP Generals Phalanx* 28
2 x FP Generals Phalanx support 17 34
1 x FP Mercenary Hoplites 22
1 x FP Merc. Support 17
1 X FL Thracians 20
1 x SK Javelin 12
1 x CM Cav. + Hamapippoi 26

VD 11 break on 6

3 x ROD 15
Exploration 7
Command costs 72

Army moral 24 Break on 12

400

Sorry Guys .. ready now!
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Post by Colin B Fri Feb 05, 2016 12:00 am

Hi Guy's,

As I said previously I had a game with John this evening and he mentioned that the Korean list actually has a problem. We checked and sorry... he is right Sad .

The Army list in the army list book does say that a C in C general CANNOT be attached to the regular Infantry large units. A sub general can be but not the C in C.

It may change the balance of the Army but just thought it was worth discussing?

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Post by Cyrus The Adequate Fri Feb 05, 2016 12:17 am

Well spotted - I'll advise Paul
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Post by Eddie Longshanks Fri Feb 05, 2016 9:11 am

Fixed list Embarassed

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Post by Cyrus The Adequate Fri Feb 05, 2016 9:41 pm

by which he means he swapped the generals around so the CinC is in the Cavalry
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Post by Cyrus The Adequate Sat Feb 06, 2016 7:13 pm

Ok Gents. It's seven minutes past seven and I'm here in the Rat Race Ale House on Hartlepool railway station, purveyor of excellent real ales and general good fellowship. And here without further ado is the draw, witnessed by the rest of the clientele.

Drum roll.

James vs John
Tony vs Leigh
Mark vs Ken
Paul vs Colin

Good luck gents, see you tomorrow
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Post by Cyrus The Adequate Sat Feb 06, 2016 7:14 pm

Ok Gents. It's seven minutes past seven and I'm here in the Rat Race Ale House on Hartlepool railway station, purveyor of excellent real ales and general good fellowship. And here without further ado is the draw, witnessed by the rest of the clientèle.

Drum roll.

James vs John
Tony vs Leigh
Mark vs Ken
Paul vs Colin

Good luck gents, see you tomorrow


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Post by Colin B Sat Feb 06, 2016 8:16 pm

Well done Ken!

I'm sure your impartial observers were absolutely fascinated by what you were doing!

I too have been partaking of some real Ale as of course any true Wargamer must do on the night preceding conflict!

Look forward to meeting up with you all tomorrow!

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Post by Cyrus The Adequate Sun Feb 07, 2016 11:06 pm

Firstly thanks to everyone for turning out. I hope everyone had a good day and got home safely.

Here without further ado are the results

Round 1
Leigh 129 V Tony 1
Mark 111 V Ken 19
Paul 109 V Colin 21
James 69 V John 30

Round 2
Leigh 102 v Mark 28
Paul 88 V James 43
John 54 V Colin 79
Ken 123 v Tony 7

Round 3
Paul 70 V Leigh 69
Ken 113 V James 17
Mark 42 v Colin 34
John 41 v Tony 31

So the final standings were
1 Leigh 301
2 Paul 266
3 Ken 255
4 Mark 181
5 James 165
6 Colin 134
7. John 125
8 Tony 39


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Post by gizasix Sun Feb 07, 2016 11:14 pm


Thanks Ken for organizing a super day. I hope everyone else enjoyed it as much as I did:bounce: bounce bounce
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Post by Colin B Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:13 am

Thank you all for a really fun day, Well done Ken.

I was wondering ..... why is Mark .... uuuuumm ...Marked?

That is, on the final list he is marked as, *Mark? !

As for my thoughts on the 400 points, it does give a bit more flexibility on the armies and the results do, at first glance, seem to show a similar number of wins to draws as in the Past.

I would say it worked.

It looks like a few more tests at this number are required!

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Post by Cyrus The Adequate Mon Feb 08, 2016 8:44 am

Hi Colin - in response to your query, Mark was *Marked because I typed it out with my big fingers on my little phone screen :-)
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