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Inca, Chanca & Mapuche lists
by jorneto Tue Oct 20, 2015 6:00 pm
This is the last batch of lists, this time for the "inca" zone.
The mapuche warriors with their mix of bows and melee weapons gave me some trouble on how to classify them. They could be perhaps FL's with Various weapons or just FL with a VBU 1 higher than in the list. Making them a more aggressive type of T than usual seemed to me a more interesting option.
Inca 1440-1534 AD
CS=Average(12 Pts) or CS=Good(20 Pts)
_____Type Name______________________M VBU I D VD Weapon Special Pts
2-6___FL Nobles_______________________8 5 2 B 3 21
0-2___FL Auquicona regiment____________8 5 2 A 3 26
0-2___FL Imperial Guard________________8 5 3 B 3 Long Spear 25
4-20__T Aucac Runas___________________6 4 1 B 1 Sling 17
or____T Aucac Runas___________________6 3 0 B 1 Sling 12
2-12__S Skirmishers____________________8 2 0 C 1 Javelin 7
or____S Skirmishers____________________8 2 0 B 1 Javelin 12
0-4___T Bola Throwers_________________6 3 1 C 1 Various 10
0-1___FL War Dogs____________________8 2 4 C 1 Impetuous 8
0-8___FL Chanca Warriors_______________8 4 1 C 1 Long Spear 14
0-6___S Chanca Slingers________________8 2 0 C 1 Sling 7
2-10__T Archers_______________________6 3 0 C 1 Short bow A 11
or____S Archers_______________________8 2 0 C 1 Short bow B 7
Chanca 1350-1450 AD
CS=Poor(0 Pts) or CS=average(12 Pts)
______Type Name_____________________M VBU I D VD Weapon Special Pts
2-6____FL Veteran Spearmen____________8 5 3 C 3 Long Spear 20
4-24___FL Spearmen___________________8 4 1 C 1 Long Spear 14
6-18___T Warriors_____________________6 3 0 C 1 Sling 7
0-10___S Skirmishers___________________8 2 0 C 1 Javelin 7
0-18___S Slingers______________________8 2 0 C 1 Sling 7
0-4____T Quechua Warriors_____________6 3 0 C 1 Sling 7
0-12___T Quechua Veterans_____________6 4 1 C 1 Sling 12
Notes and options:
Up to 1/2 of deployed T Warriors can be upgraded to 6 4 1 C 1 Sling for 12 pts.
Mapuche 1461-1556 AD
CS=Average(12 Pts)
______Type Name_____________________M VBU I D VD Weapon Special Pts
0-6____T Elite & Veterans_______________6 5 2 B 3 Short bow B 22
6-24___T Archers______________________6 3 1 C 1 Short bow B 10
0-16___T Warriors_____________________6 4 2 C 1 Short bow B 13
4-24___FL Spearmen___________________8 4 2 C 1 Long Spear 15
or_____FP Spearmen___________________5 5 2 C 2 Long Spear 17
0-4____T Impetuous Warriors____________6 4 4 C 2 Short bow B Impetuous 15
2-6____S Skirmishers___________________8 2 0 C 1 Javelin 7
or_____S Skirmishers___________________8 3 0 B 1 Javelin 14
0-6____S Skirmishers___________________8 2 0 C 1 Short bow B 7
or______S Skirmishers__________________8 3 0 B 1 Short bow B 14
The mapuche warriors with their mix of bows and melee weapons gave me some trouble on how to classify them. They could be perhaps FL's with Various weapons or just FL with a VBU 1 higher than in the list. Making them a more aggressive type of T than usual seemed to me a more interesting option.
Inca 1440-1534 AD
CS=Average(12 Pts) or CS=Good(20 Pts)
_____Type Name______________________M VBU I D VD Weapon Special Pts
2-6___FL Nobles_______________________8 5 2 B 3 21
0-2___FL Auquicona regiment____________8 5 2 A 3 26
0-2___FL Imperial Guard________________8 5 3 B 3 Long Spear 25
4-20__T Aucac Runas___________________6 4 1 B 1 Sling 17
or____T Aucac Runas___________________6 3 0 B 1 Sling 12
2-12__S Skirmishers____________________8 2 0 C 1 Javelin 7
or____S Skirmishers____________________8 2 0 B 1 Javelin 12
0-4___T Bola Throwers_________________6 3 1 C 1 Various 10
0-1___FL War Dogs____________________8 2 4 C 1 Impetuous 8
0-8___FL Chanca Warriors_______________8 4 1 C 1 Long Spear 14
0-6___S Chanca Slingers________________8 2 0 C 1 Sling 7
2-10__T Archers_______________________6 3 0 C 1 Short bow A 11
or____S Archers_______________________8 2 0 C 1 Short bow B 7
Chanca 1350-1450 AD
CS=Poor(0 Pts) or CS=average(12 Pts)
______Type Name_____________________M VBU I D VD Weapon Special Pts
2-6____FL Veteran Spearmen____________8 5 3 C 3 Long Spear 20
4-24___FL Spearmen___________________8 4 1 C 1 Long Spear 14
6-18___T Warriors_____________________6 3 0 C 1 Sling 7
0-10___S Skirmishers___________________8 2 0 C 1 Javelin 7
0-18___S Slingers______________________8 2 0 C 1 Sling 7
0-4____T Quechua Warriors_____________6 3 0 C 1 Sling 7
0-12___T Quechua Veterans_____________6 4 1 C 1 Sling 12
Notes and options:
Up to 1/2 of deployed T Warriors can be upgraded to 6 4 1 C 1 Sling for 12 pts.
Mapuche 1461-1556 AD
CS=Average(12 Pts)
______Type Name_____________________M VBU I D VD Weapon Special Pts
0-6____T Elite & Veterans_______________6 5 2 B 3 Short bow B 22
6-24___T Archers______________________6 3 1 C 1 Short bow B 10
0-16___T Warriors_____________________6 4 2 C 1 Short bow B 13
4-24___FL Spearmen___________________8 4 2 C 1 Long Spear 15
or_____FP Spearmen___________________5 5 2 C 2 Long Spear 17
0-4____T Impetuous Warriors____________6 4 4 C 2 Short bow B Impetuous 15
2-6____S Skirmishers___________________8 2 0 C 1 Javelin 7
or_____S Skirmishers___________________8 3 0 B 1 Javelin 14
0-6____S Skirmishers___________________8 2 0 C 1 Short bow B 7
or______S Skirmishers__________________8 3 0 B 1 Short bow B 14
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Re: Inca, Chanca & Mapuche lists
by dadiepiombo Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:44 am
Very good!
As soon as I have some free time I will give a check and then put in the betas.
As soon as I have some free time I will give a check and then put in the betas.
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Re: Inca, Chanca & Mapuche lists
by Jim Webster Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:21 pm
It's the sling with T infantry that worries me. As a missile weapon it's better than javelin which means that they have access to pretty devastating missile fire. At 14, that's 4 dice for infantry, 5 dice if you're shooting at cavalry. At that range they're as effective as Longbow B or Shortbow A
I agree that the Inca ought to have a lot of slingers,but I'd suggest they were skirmishers.
The 'heavy infantry' of an Inca army did have short spear, club and sling, but I'm not sure that it was used by formed units in pitched battles.
After all a proportion of Roman heavy infantry were trained with the sling, but still just fought as legionaries.
My suspicion is that the sling would be used in garrison duty, or on patrol, or units might go into skirmish formation to use their slings
I'd perhaps suggest your bog standard infantry were
10 - 24 FL infantry, 4 1 B 1 Various Weapons
What you might give them is various weapons, which would represent a handful of men from the ranks being sent forward a few yards to use the sling,
then you'd have
Replace a minimum of a quarter and a maximum of a half of these Infantry with slingers
Slingers 8 2 0 B 1 sling
I agree that the Inca ought to have a lot of slingers,but I'd suggest they were skirmishers.
The 'heavy infantry' of an Inca army did have short spear, club and sling, but I'm not sure that it was used by formed units in pitched battles.
After all a proportion of Roman heavy infantry were trained with the sling, but still just fought as legionaries.
My suspicion is that the sling would be used in garrison duty, or on patrol, or units might go into skirmish formation to use their slings
I'd perhaps suggest your bog standard infantry were
10 - 24 FL infantry, 4 1 B 1 Various Weapons
What you might give them is various weapons, which would represent a handful of men from the ranks being sent forward a few yards to use the sling,
then you'd have
Replace a minimum of a quarter and a maximum of a half of these Infantry with slingers
Slingers 8 2 0 B 1 sling
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Re: Inca, Chanca & Mapuche lists
by jorneto Wed Oct 21, 2015 5:41 pm
I had doubts not only on the mapuche but also on the incas and the chanca...
The three options I considered were T with sling, FL with various weapons and FL with higher (perhaps) VBU and discarding any shooting effect.
The one I liked less was the "various weapons" option.
I chose the first and kept the VBU of those T slingers at 4 or 3 to avoid excessive firepower. However, allowing the use of slings in a relatively compact formation may not have been the best option.
I don't think that replacing the sling with various weapons will change much. It will lose 1 die against cavalry and still stay better than the javelin.
On my opinion it has a longer range than it should (the same with the javelin) and its factors are too high. On average compared with bows, it has a similar effect against infantry and 1 die less against cavalry.
Innstead and using bits of your suggestion I would go for something different:
removal of:
4-20__T Aucac Runas___________________6 4 1 B 1 Sling 17
or____T Aucac Runas___________________6 3 0 B 1 Sling 12
replaced by:
2-12__FL Aucac Runas___________________8 4 1 B 1 16
__+___S Aucac Runas slingers_____________8 2 0 B 1 Sling 12
This becomes a sort of "small" large unit. The now much reduced firepower will stay within the main unit and the combined VBU of 6 doesn't makes them too strong.
Might also use this logic with the Chanca and mapuche.
The three options I considered were T with sling, FL with various weapons and FL with higher (perhaps) VBU and discarding any shooting effect.
The one I liked less was the "various weapons" option.
I chose the first and kept the VBU of those T slingers at 4 or 3 to avoid excessive firepower. However, allowing the use of slings in a relatively compact formation may not have been the best option.
I don't think that replacing the sling with various weapons will change much. It will lose 1 die against cavalry and still stay better than the javelin.
On my opinion it has a longer range than it should (the same with the javelin) and its factors are too high. On average compared with bows, it has a similar effect against infantry and 1 die less against cavalry.
Innstead and using bits of your suggestion I would go for something different:
removal of:
4-20__T Aucac Runas___________________6 4 1 B 1 Sling 17
or____T Aucac Runas___________________6 3 0 B 1 Sling 12
replaced by:
2-12__FL Aucac Runas___________________8 4 1 B 1 16
__+___S Aucac Runas slingers_____________8 2 0 B 1 Sling 12
This becomes a sort of "small" large unit. The now much reduced firepower will stay within the main unit and the combined VBU of 6 doesn't makes them too strong.
Might also use this logic with the Chanca and mapuche.
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Re: Inca, Chanca & Mapuche lists
by jorneto Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:26 pm
Using the FL+S large unit combination the second version of the lists will look like this:
Inca 1440-1534 AD
CS=Average(12 Pts) or CS=Good(20 Pts)
_____Type Name______________________M VBU I D VD Weapon Special Pts
2-6___FL Nobles_______________________8 5 2 B 3 21
0-2___FL Auquicona regiment____________8 5 2 A 3 26
0-2___FL Imperial Guard________________8 5 3 B 3 Long Spear 25
2-12__FL Aucac Runas__________________8 4 1 B 1 16
__+___S Aucac Runas Slingers____________8 2 0 B 1 Sling 12
2-12__S Skirmishers____________________8 2 0 C 1 Javelin 7
or____S Skirmishers____________________8 2 0 B 1 Javelin 12
0-4___T Bola Throwers_________________6 3 1 C 1 Various 10
0-1___FL War Dogs____________________8 2 4 C 1 Impetuous 8
0-8___FL Chanca Warriors_______________8 4 1 C 1 Long Spear 14
0-6___S Chanca Slingers________________8 2 0 C 1 Sling 7
2-10__T Archers_______________________6 3 0 C 1 Short bow A 11
or____S Archers_______________________8 2 0 C 1 Short bow B 7
Chanca 1350-1450 AD
CS=Poor(0 Pts) or CS=average(12 Pts)
______Type Name_____________________M VBU I D VD Weapon Special Pts
2-6____FL Veteran Spearmen____________8 5 3 C 3 Long Spear 20
4-24___FL Spearmen___________________8 4 1 C 1 Long Spear 14
3-9____FL Warriors____________________8 4 1 C 1 11
_+_____S Warriors with Sling____________8 2 0 C 1 Sling 7
0-10___S Skirmishers___________________8 2 0 C 1 Javelin 7
0-18___S Slingers______________________8 2 0 C 1 Sling 7
0-8____FL Quechua Warriors_____________8 4 1 C 1 11
_+_____S Quechua Slingers_____________8 2 0 C 1 Sling 7
0-2____FL Quechua Veterans____________8 4 2 C 1 12
__+____S Quechua Veteran Slingers______8 3 0 C 1 Sling 9
Option to upgrade warriors removed. (Also swapped the numbers for quechua warriors and veterans)
Mapuche 1461-1556 AD
CS=Average(12 Pts)
______Type Name_____________________M VBU I D VD Weapon Special Pts
0-3____FL Elite & Veterans______________8 5 2 B 3 21
_+_____S Elite & Veterans Skirmishers_____8 3 0 B 1 Short bow B 14
6-24___T Archers______________________6 3 1 C 1 Short bow B 10
0-8____FL Warriors_____________________8 4 2 C 1 12
_+_____S Skirmishers__________________8 2 0 C 1 Short bow B 7
4-24___FL Spearmen___________________8 4 2 C 1 Long Spear 15
or_____FP Spearmen___________________5 5 2 C 2 Long Spear 17
0-2____FL Impetuous Warriors____________8 4 4 C 2 Impetuous 12
_+_____S Skirmishers__________________8 3 0 C 1 Short bow B 9
2-6____S Skirmishers___________________8 2 0 C 1 Javelin 7
or_____S Skirmishers___________________8 3 0 B 1 Javelin 14
0-6____S Skirmishers___________________8 2 0 C 1 Short bow B 7
or______S Skirmishers__________________8 3 0 B 1 Short bow B 14
Inca 1440-1534 AD
CS=Average(12 Pts) or CS=Good(20 Pts)
_____Type Name______________________M VBU I D VD Weapon Special Pts
2-6___FL Nobles_______________________8 5 2 B 3 21
0-2___FL Auquicona regiment____________8 5 2 A 3 26
0-2___FL Imperial Guard________________8 5 3 B 3 Long Spear 25
2-12__FL Aucac Runas__________________8 4 1 B 1 16
__+___S Aucac Runas Slingers____________8 2 0 B 1 Sling 12
2-12__S Skirmishers____________________8 2 0 C 1 Javelin 7
or____S Skirmishers____________________8 2 0 B 1 Javelin 12
0-4___T Bola Throwers_________________6 3 1 C 1 Various 10
0-1___FL War Dogs____________________8 2 4 C 1 Impetuous 8
0-8___FL Chanca Warriors_______________8 4 1 C 1 Long Spear 14
0-6___S Chanca Slingers________________8 2 0 C 1 Sling 7
2-10__T Archers_______________________6 3 0 C 1 Short bow A 11
or____S Archers_______________________8 2 0 C 1 Short bow B 7
Chanca 1350-1450 AD
CS=Poor(0 Pts) or CS=average(12 Pts)
______Type Name_____________________M VBU I D VD Weapon Special Pts
2-6____FL Veteran Spearmen____________8 5 3 C 3 Long Spear 20
4-24___FL Spearmen___________________8 4 1 C 1 Long Spear 14
3-9____FL Warriors____________________8 4 1 C 1 11
_+_____S Warriors with Sling____________8 2 0 C 1 Sling 7
0-10___S Skirmishers___________________8 2 0 C 1 Javelin 7
0-18___S Slingers______________________8 2 0 C 1 Sling 7
0-8____FL Quechua Warriors_____________8 4 1 C 1 11
_+_____S Quechua Slingers_____________8 2 0 C 1 Sling 7
0-2____FL Quechua Veterans____________8 4 2 C 1 12
__+____S Quechua Veteran Slingers______8 3 0 C 1 Sling 9
Option to upgrade warriors removed. (Also swapped the numbers for quechua warriors and veterans)
Mapuche 1461-1556 AD
CS=Average(12 Pts)
______Type Name_____________________M VBU I D VD Weapon Special Pts
0-3____FL Elite & Veterans______________8 5 2 B 3 21
_+_____S Elite & Veterans Skirmishers_____8 3 0 B 1 Short bow B 14
6-24___T Archers______________________6 3 1 C 1 Short bow B 10
0-8____FL Warriors_____________________8 4 2 C 1 12
_+_____S Skirmishers__________________8 2 0 C 1 Short bow B 7
4-24___FL Spearmen___________________8 4 2 C 1 Long Spear 15
or_____FP Spearmen___________________5 5 2 C 2 Long Spear 17
0-2____FL Impetuous Warriors____________8 4 4 C 2 Impetuous 12
_+_____S Skirmishers__________________8 3 0 C 1 Short bow B 9
2-6____S Skirmishers___________________8 2 0 C 1 Javelin 7
or_____S Skirmishers___________________8 3 0 B 1 Javelin 14
0-6____S Skirmishers___________________8 2 0 C 1 Short bow B 7
or______S Skirmishers__________________8 3 0 B 1 Short bow B 14
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