Extra Impetus 4

Do you know when this will be available as a PDF please?

Jim

If I recall, Lorenzo is away currently, and it might be a bit before he returns, and before Impetus 4 goes to a PDF release.

I purchased the booklett, and I'm enjoying it!

Extra 4 contains all the armies I have an interest in and as I have the others as a PDF I will have to wait to start building my armies until it is produced.

Jim

Which armies are of most interest?

GamesPoet wrote:Which armies are of most interest?

Hey,

I've got (all options)

Theban 75% done for DBM/FoG
Spartan 90% done for same
Thracian 40% done for same
Gallic 80% done for same

Although all are not complete they are playable as I was aiming to do all options for each list and currently have enough bases to do 300 to 400pt lists for DBM/FoG.

Having discovered Impetus I can go about re basing the above but only when EI4 becomes available as a PDF.

Jim

Impetus 4 has lists for all of those. As I suspect can be imagined, Thebes and Sparta are mostly hoplite units, Thrace is mostly peltast units, Gauls are mostly warrior units. However, each army has other units that help flesh out the character of the forces a bit as well.

I'm not familiar with DBM, and have limited familiarity with FoG. Perhaps with FoG you might not need to rebase, and instead just combine bases to make units for Impetus?

Or has it been determined that you're going for Impetus and leaving DBM and Fog behind?

Well if you're looking for the total build numbers so you can do "all options" then this is what you will need:

Thebes
5 CM Greek cavalry
24 Theban/Boiotian hoplites (+1 Sacred band)
4 FL Greek Peltasts
12 FL Thureophoroi (post 275)
2 S Slingers
2 S Archers
6 S Javelinmen

Sparta
2 CM Greek cavalry
1 CL Tarantine (post 225)
8 Spartan, 8 Perioikoi, 16 Allied hoplites
8 Spartan, 8 Perioikoi Pikes (post 225)
6 FP Helots
5 FL Greek Peltasts
16 FL Thureophoroi (post 275)
4 S Slingers
4 S Archers
4 S Javelinmen
2 S Skirtai
2 Bolt Shooters (post 225)

Thracian
3 CM Nobles
8 CL Javelins
4 CL Getic Horse Archers
8 FL peltasts with long spear
36 FL peltasts with javelin (or as S as an option)
18 FL peltasts with rhomphaia
6 S Archers
8 S Javelinmen
6 S Slingers

Gallic and/or Galatian (plus British)
14 CM
2 CL (8 CL for British)
6 CGL (10 for British)
2 FP Soldurii Elite
30 FP Warband or FL Warband (40 FL for British)
8 S javelin
4 S sling or bow (18 slings for British)
12 FP Civilian Mobs
Galatians also have numbers of Psidian CL and Paphlagonian/Kappadokian FL, scythed chariots and the option post 64BC to upgrade 12 warband units to imitation legio

GamesPoet wrote:Impetus 4 has lists for all of those.  As I suspect can be imagined, Thebes and Sparta are mostly hoplite units, Thrace is mostly peltast units, Gauls are mostly warrior units.  However, each army has other units that help flesh out the character of the forces a bit as well.

I'm not familiar with DBM, and have limited familiarity with FoG.  Perhaps with FoG you might not need to rebase, and instead just combine bases to make units for Impetus?

Or has it been determined that you're going for Impetus and leaving DBM and Fog behind?

Hi,

Thank you for that.
DBM is much like FoG which I believe is a sort of "child" of DBM! both use same basing system but rules are somewhat different. DBM is very old school with rules written in very "legal" style English.

I have several armies for DBM/FoG already but plan to rebase all my recent work for Impetus. This will give me a good deal of the bases I require, especially if I use 10 figures to a base for my Hoplites and other heavy foot. An 8 base unit of Spear for FoG contains 32 figures which will convert to 3 bases in Impetus with 2 spare figures. Taken I currently have 14 "units" of Theban spear, that is 112 bases with a total of 448 figures, I have the equivalent of 44.8 Impetus bases of spear!! More than enough if Zippee is correct in his post?

All I need now is for my laser cut bases to arrive in the mail and I'm off...

Jim

Zippee wrote:Well if you're looking for the total build numbers so you can do "all options" then this is what you will need:

Thebes
5 CM Greek cavalry
24 Theban/Boiotian hoplites (+1 Sacred band)
4 FL Greek Peltasts
12 FL Thureophoroi (post 275)
2 S Slingers
2 S Archers
6 S Javelinmen

Sparta
2 CM Greek cavalry
1 CL Tarantine (post 225)
8 Spartan, 8 Perioikoi, 16 Allied hoplites
8 Spartan, 8 Perioikoi Pikes (post 225)
6 FP Helots
5 FL Greek Peltasts
16 FL Thureophoroi (post 275)
4 S Slingers
4 S Archers
4 S Javelinmen
2 S Skirtai
2 Bolt Shooters (post 225)

Thracian
3 CM Nobles
8 CL Javelins
4 CL Getic Horse Archers
8 FL peltasts with long spear
36 FL peltasts with javelin (or as S as an option)
18 FL peltasts with rhomphaia
6 S Archers
8 S Javelinmen
6 S Slingers

Gallic and/or Galatian (plus British)
14 CM
2 CL (8 CL for British)
6 CGL (10 for British)
2 FP Soldurii Elite
30 FP Warband or FL Warband (40 FL for British)
8 S javelin
4 S sling or bow (18 slings for British)
12 FP Civilian Mobs
Galatians also have numbers of Psidian CL and Paphlagonian/Kappadokian FL, scythed chariots and the option post 64BC to upgrade 12 warband units to imitation legio

Thank you for this, as I noted in my post above I am only waiting on the arrival of my laser cut bases and I can start rebasing what figures I already have -quite a few!

I do hope you wont get in trouble for posting these list totals for me in advance of the books publication?

Jim

The book as already been published in a binded format.

It seems you've gievn up those two other rule systems. Have you already played Impetus?

GamesPoet wrote:The book as already been published in a binded format.

It seems you've gievn up those two other rule systems.  Have you already played Impetus?

I know it is already in paper format but as I said in my earlier post I have ALL the other volumes and the rules in PDF format so have no reason to purchase a single volume in the paper form.

I have not played DBM or FoG in over a year, I have however spent the time building and painting armies for the rules set. I was introduced to Impetus by a friend and immediately liked the directions it was going in so far as playability and ease of understanding the system. I have played through several small games using the basic Impetus rules and card blanks to represent units. I have yet to play a game of full Impetus with figures. I would only be able to do this once I have EI4 and re-based my figures.

Jim

baz baziah wrote:
Thank you for this, as I noted in my post above I am only waiting on the arrival of my laser cut bases and I can start rebasing what figures I already have -quite a few!

I do hope you wont get in trouble for posting these list totals for me in advance of the books publication?

Jim

No problem - I haven't given you any game stats or list structure so you'll still need to purchase EI4, doubt Lorenzo will object to the raw numbers being posted.

I find 12 figures for FP and 8 for FL to be a better rebase solution (I rebased all mine from DBM as well - just got the last few Gauls to do) it doesn't leave you with the odd figures. If you can stretch to it 16 for FP like hoplites and pikes looks better

baz baziah wrote: I have played through several small games using the basic Impetus rules and card blanks to represent units. I have yet to play a game of full Impetus with figures. I would only be able to do this once I have EI4 and re-based my figures.

Jim

Most people start by pushing 4 DBM bases together to make 1 Impetus base and play from there - many continue to play that way with or without sabots in order to maximise the flexibility of basing to play other rules.

You can play Impetus with DBM/FOG basing - hard to do the opposite (well you'd need a much bigger table at any rate!)

I think this has become even more common with the advent of Sword & Spear and Art de la Guerre both of which seem to be very popular at club level these days.

Indeed whilst more expensive in the number of infantry figures you end up using, Sabot based heavy infantry do look really well in Impetus and unless you're short of infantry I wouldn't bother rebasing them

baz baziah wrote:I know it is already in paper format but as I said in my earlier post I have ALL the other volumes and the rules in PDF format so have no reason to purchase a single volume in the paper form.

Understandable. I had previously purchased the rules booklet and couldn't wait to get started on EI4 so I bought it next. I also like what is in EI3 and not sur eif I'll buy the booklett or PDF, bt we'll see.

I have not played DBM or FoG in over a year, I have however spent the time building and painting armies for the rules set. I was introduced to Impetus by a friend and immediately liked the directions it was going in so far as playability and ease of understanding the system. I have played through several small games using the basic Impetus rules and card blanks to represent units. I have yet to play a game of full Impetus with figures. I would only be able to do this once I have EI4 and re-based my figures.

I'm familiar with a number of rule syestms that use smaller basing and considered other options for basing my Impetus armies, yet decided to go all out with them at the size suggested in the rules. At the moment, I'm just working on a Late Achaemenid Persian force, but with some Greeks that could be used as the basis for other armies, too. I'm also considering doing an India force, but that might not be for a good time off yet.

And by the way, my army is with 25/28mm figures, so this won't really compare to the number fo figures being based for smaller sizes.

However, for infantry I use one more figure than than the number of VBU on a base. My Persian S are 3, my FL Takabara are 5, my Greek Mercs are 6. At the scale I'm using, this seems to provide a sense of what the unit is, and doesn't crowd the base either, while allowing for creation of a decent look to the scenery used for the base, too.

I will keep all my "old" figures based for DBM/FoG but will do new ones as Impetus standard. I am only rebasing these current ones as they are not complete and will net me a further advancement in completion percentage for their equivalent Impetus army lists.
I'm lazy that way...

Jim

Would anyone want to suggest what figures to use for Thracian Peltast with long spear?
I'm using Xyston figures so do I use just the standard Peltast figure but replace the Javelins with longer "spears" or use the Hellenistic Thracians and again replace the weapon? This is the first Thracian list I've come across with spear armed units.

Jim

baz baziah wrote:Would anyone want to suggest what figures to use for Thracian Peltast with long spear?
I'm using Xyston figures so do I use just the standard Peltast figure but replace the Javelins with longer "spears" or use the Hellenistic Thracians and again replace the weapon? This is the first Thracian list I've come across with spear armed units.

Jim  

Depends on the period, for later Hellenistic I'll use a mixture of Infantry with Thureos, javelin and probably a Thracian helmet, mixed in with a few figures with more traditional Thracian garb

Jim Webster wrote:

baz baziah wrote:Would anyone want to suggest what figures to use for Thracian Peltast with long spear?
I'm using Xyston figures so do I use just the standard Peltast figure but replace the Javelins with longer "spears" or use the Hellenistic Thracians and again replace the weapon? This is the first Thracian list I've come across with spear armed units.

Jim  

Depends on the period, for later Hellenistic I'll use a mixture of Infantry with Thureos, javelin  and probably a Thracian helmet, mixed in with a few figures with more traditional Thracian garb

I'm not looking to base the list on any particular period I just want to retain the "Thracian" feel of the figures. I think I will use a mix of the Xyston Peltasts with Javelin and Rhomphia, removing the Rhomphia and replacing them with long spears. They should work? I have enough spare figures to try this out and may post the results here?

Jim

Look forward to seeing them

I look forward to seeing them as well!

Hi folks,
No pics of my Thracians yet but here is a pic of 72 bases (DBM OR FoG) Thebans that I plan to rebase for Impetus.




Jim

Looks like a mighty force there!

Extra Impetus 4 will be available as pdf by around mid September, while Extra 5 before Christamas