shooting casualties on a disordered unit

A disordered unit fails the cohesion test and loses a point from its VBU. Does it lose another point from its VBU for being disordered from this shooting and already being disordered?

Not 100% certain I understand the question but

Lose 1 point for disorder
Lose 1 point per loss

So if you are disordered and have 1 loss then your total modifier is -2

GG, I think you are talking about the modifiers to the cohesion test, I understand the question to be about the reduction to to the unit's VBU as a result of the cohesion test.

The 'disorder loss' applied to a unit taking a cohesion test only applies if the unit passes the test, per rule 6.2.1 or 7.6.1. Otherwise, rule 6.2 determines the losses when the cohesion test is failed.

So I think the answer to the question is no. If the unit fails the cohesion test by 1 it loses 1 VBU even if already disordered (the disorder being taken into account in the cohesion test itself). If the disordered unit passes the cohesion test, it still loses 1 VBU, as a 'disorder loss'. For shooting, these different causes of the VBU loss make no difference, but in a melee they do because a unit suffering a 'disorder loss' has not lost the melee even if its opponent doesn't suffer any casualties.

RogerC

RogerC is correct. A disordered VBU5 FL unit is fired on at Short Range. The firing unit cause one damage on the FL. The FL rolls its CT with the following modifiers, 5 +1 for range and -1 for disorder, -1 for one damage. That means it passes its test on 4. Assume it rolls a 3 on the CT test. Since it passed its test it takes one VBU for suffering damage disordered. Should it roll a 5 it takes one VBU loss for failing the test by one. Should it roll a 6 it takes 2 VBU loss.

Gaius Cassius wrote:RogerC is correct. A disordered VBU5 FL unit is fired on at Short Range. The firing unit cause one damage on the FL. The FL rolls its CT with the following modifiers, 5 +1 for range and -1 for disorder, -1 for one damage. That means it passes its test on 4. Assume it rolls a 3 on the CT test. Since it passed its test it takes one VBU for suffering damage disordered. Should it roll a 5 it takes one VBU loss for failing the test by one. Should it roll a 6 it takes 2 VBU loss.  

That's the way I read it but my opponent said in addition to the loss from failing the cohesion test, there should be another loss from a disordered unit becoming disordered by taking damage.

Your opponent was incorrect aphil. Have him read this Forum.

Correct, no double jeopardy.

Dennis

Just to back up the other two, No Double Jeopardy

Jim