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Post by Ten Fingered Jack Sat Apr 24, 2021 4:42 pm

Rather than ask a detailed and long winded question, I'll ask straight out. Do pila and PBW count as causing disorder by shooting?
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Post by kenntak Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:05 pm

For what it's worth I think so. The Pilum/PBW rule specifically refers to the possible need for the target to take a Cohesion Test (with modifiers for firing), and the rules on Cohesion Tests state that any unit that takes such a test is disordered even if it passes the test.


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Post by Gaius Cassius Sun Apr 25, 2021 4:22 pm

+1 kenntak

Just for clarity, there is no range modifier for Pila/PBW.
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Post by Ten Fingered Jack Sun Apr 25, 2021 9:32 pm

I'm kind of thick. What I meant was do pila and PBW cause disorder by shooting before melee.

As I understand it being shot at ,no matter the result, causes disorder. So a unit charging pila/pbw is disordered before it melees the target?
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Post by Gaius Cassius Mon Apr 26, 2021 2:05 am

Not necessarily. The unit throwing Pila/PBW has to hit first before there is a disorder. So for instance, a unit throwing PBW would throw 3d6 and if there is one or more 6s or a double 5 then the unit hit by the PBW would need to take a Cohesion Test and one of the effects is automatic disorder. That doesn't always happen of course. One of the advantages of Pila/PBW over missile fire is that the throw is automatic. There is no need to make a Defensive Fire test.
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