2015 OFFICIAL AMENDMENTS

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Evasion - is the Discipline test to evade a normal discipline test with all the other mods for commander and out of command \ control applied, or a separate evade test with just the two listed mods?

Evasion test is a standard discipline test with usual modifiers + new modifier

You cannot be supported by a Unit in BUA. A Unit in BUA cannot form a Group with any. It has not even a front. Same for baggage before you ask.

You need to be on side contact. Just in contact by corner is not enough. Just imagine a line even if not perfect.
In 99% you have to start as a group to phisically have this bonus.

any specific reasons why warbands have been nerfed?

i was just starting to enjoy them

Hi all just posting about the official amendments - I have just come back from the Wales Open and I think pretty much everyone there forgot to apply the better class in the tactical factors. We all knew about it as a new rule but just forgot to apply in the fast play scenario of a game competition.

Wonder if we are not at the maximum level of factors and rules which we can carry about in our head? To me the moment we have to resort to a check list to go down factors and tick off is the time |I look for new rules or simply play to "Impetus Original" rules.

Otherwise in the tournament seemed to me that the new skirmish / LC evade rules worked OK. I am not sure particularly why they have to be introduced but they did not especially slow the game down. Personally in my games the flank benefit factors did not have a major impact.

Cheers Jez

A question came up about the Flank Support rules.

Suppose the following units move straight ahead as a group:

S:FP:FP:FP:S (2 skirmisher units protecting the flanks of some heavies)

If they move as a group into contact with another group what happens to the S who cannot charge as they have no Impetus?

Do they just stop a bit short?

Can they not participate in the Group move at all and thus the moving force is denied the flank protection?

They cannot form a Group and participate in a Group move unless they have a continuous front line so it remains tricky to have skirmishers protecting the flanks, currently to avoid any issues I move the skirmishers directly forward as individual units and halt them at a point where the FP group will move directly forward and then pick them up as flank support from a position where the S are not in contact with the enemy. But that all comes across as being too "gamey".

Other thoughts and solutions would be welcome.

@ oldentired. Warbands made a small step back againsta other foot but appling all the new rules they have befenif against mounted. Once a simple CP could break into the formation if they had no Long Spear. And usually a CP charged oblique so that with the fursuit could do more damage.
Now with the line benefits (and warbands are cheap, yes more difficult to control, but possibly with a good line extension) they are safer form this charge.

@ Granicus.
S cannot charge so if you want to move with the Group the Group cannot charge. They can still make support even if the stay a little behind. So move S first and then the Group into charge.

Yes, the new rules make Warbands less deadly against infantry but stronger against cavalry.

Using S troops as support for flanks is a risky move. If the melee goes sour they are prime for being overrun and dispersed.

Had a tight game against the Spanish on the weekend and I forgot to include the extra die for having A class troops (took A class legions) against B (I usually remember the extra die for B class troops against C.) This is a new habit that takes some time to get used to but should easily become second nature rather quickly.

After yesterdays Impetus Day we all were struck by just how much difference the support factor is making.

Not sure of the full implications but I think it is a big boost for Romans and also those units with low impetus values - and particularly archers who can break up opposing lines by disorder

Burgundians may have gone from under achievers to world beaters !

I am having difficulty opening the Dadi&Piombo site. Can someone post me a link to the official rules update please.
I am looking to confirm that scenery pieces are now 30cm max (rather than 50cm) before I start cutting them all up

The site is temporary offline. I was to update to the cookie laws and the Italian interpretation (as usual) is a big mess.

Advanced Impetus is also available here
http://www.wargamevault.com/product/134699/Advanced-Impetus?manufacturers_id=6467

Cyrus The Adequate wrote:After yesterdays Impetus Day we all were struck by just how much difference the support factor is making.

Not sure of the full implications but I think it is a big boost for Romans and also those units with low impetus values - and particularly archers who can break up opposing lines by disorder

Burgundians may have gone from under achievers to world beaters !

It has made some significant differences in our games too. Romans are better for sure. We find that VBU4 FL B with javelin have become better when fighting as a group. FP Warbands VBU5 are now pretty tough against good cavalry when supported on the flanks. I find my VBU4 NKE archers are not push over in melee anymore with good flank support.

Yep I agree flank support has been a great addition it's really changed things for the better in general I think. Think twice now before racing off leaving your support behind to pursue some possible advantage and puts the emphasis back on more 'historical' manoeuvres. This is a good thing