Group Activations and Interpenetration .

Hi All,

I hope somebody on the forum can answer the following conundrum that has been bothering me for some time.

1. If you activate a group of say 4 units of javelin armed CL arranged in two rows of 2 units each and make a group move then fire each unit of the front rank , then the second rank of 2 CL interpenetrate the first rank and each then fires. Am I correct in thinking that each of the 4 units of CL will pay a -2d6 firing modifier for two moves by the group ? Also a DT is needed for a group making two moves ?

2. Take the same two ranks of 4 units of javelin armed CL but separate the two ranks slightly apart to give two groups one behind the other . Say the first group make a move and each unit fires ( no firing modifier ) The second group behind the first also move forward and fully interpenetrate the first group and then each unit fires. Do each of these units suffer no firing modifier also ?
I can’t see in the Impetus V2 any firing penalty for interpenetrating another unit .

Can it be that the second example gives all these advantages for firing over the first example above ?

As an aside I notice that in the ‘ Baroque ‘ rules 6.1.3.3 page30 ‘ Shooting and Interpenetration ‘ it states that a unit is not allowed to shoot immediately after a movement of interpenetration and must make a second move to do so. This would mean a - 2d6 firing modifier followed by DT due to two moves. Quite a lot of penalties for this action !

Many thanks in advance for replies.

There does seem to be an advantage to moving one CL group through another to shoot, as opposed to allowing CL units within a group to interpenetrate and shoot. What do others think?

How we would play this is as per 5.2 is to seperate the group by keeping the rear 2 units stationery and just activate the front 2 and move them minimum distance to shoot with no minus for moving. Then activate the remaining 2 units and move either 1 or 2 moves, whatever is required, to interpenetrate the 1st 2 units and would have either a 0 or -2 modifier depending on whether they moved once or twice.

Should have added you are correct that if the group moves as per your example -2 would apply as per example in 5.11.1.1 for all 4 units. In your example there would be a DT so the 2nd 2 units may suffer a further -1for disorder.

My main point I am trying to get over is, shouldn’t there be a negative firing modifier for having interpenetrated another friendly unit .
I know there isn’t one in Impetus V2 but surely there should be ?, or are the troops just visualised as all just milling about not in any type of formation so interpenetration in these circumstances is irrelevant !