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Post by Sun of York Thu Mar 17, 2022 7:56 am

Multiple units in melee Dsc01610

In the above image, the alphas had the initiative and unit B charged.  It produced a draw.  Unit 3 was the main unit for the numerics with unit 2 adding support.

Then unit A charges.  It will be the main unit against unit 2.  Does unit B provide support?  If so what does unit 3 do?

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Post by jorneto Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:21 am

After A charge the melee is re-evaluated and you have 2 melee situations. One is B vs 3, the other is A vs 2 supported by 1. B vs 3 has already been done.
So, no to your question.

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Post by Sun of York Sat Mar 19, 2022 12:12 pm

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Post by Jon Freitag Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:35 pm

Also note that if a Main unit is fighting in melee it cannot be Support or Main unit in another melee.

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Post by Sun of York Sun Mar 20, 2022 11:30 am

Jon, this is correct but with the clarification "at the same time" which could also mean "in the same melee phase".

In my example we have multiple melee in more than one phase (7.6.7) The unit labelled A is the new unit.  It contacts unit 2 which was one of the fighting units with unit 3 against unit B.  The resultant decision on melee combats now has B vs 3, but as you say, and quoting from the rules "if you are fighting as the Main Unit you cannot also be ... Main Unit in another melee."  The implication is that it means melee phase.

Now, and I'm ignoring pursuits, if it had been unit 2 that had charged into contact with unit B (which had first been charged by unit 3 but without effect), my understanding is that this would reactivate the B vs 3 combat and 2 would be a supporting unit.  Even though B and 3 had already both fought each other as mains.
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Post by jorneto Sun Mar 20, 2022 1:00 pm

That's also my understanding.

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Post by Jon Freitag Sun Mar 20, 2022 1:33 pm

Sun of York wrote:
Now, and I'm ignoring pursuits, if it had been unit 2 that had charged into contact with unit B (which had first been charged by unit 3 but without effect), my understanding is that this would reactivate the B vs 3 combat and 2 would be a supporting unit.  Even though B and 3 had already both fought each other as mains.

Since the melee is restarting with '2' moving into contact, the active player could select either '2' or '3' as Main against 'B', right?

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Post by Sun of York Sun Mar 20, 2022 1:36 pm

Has to be 3 as that has the biggest frontage with B
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Post by Jon Freitag Sun Mar 20, 2022 1:42 pm

Good!

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Post by Sun of York Sat May 14, 2022 7:35 am

This issue has also been raised on the Facebook Impetus group. I've had this post on the forum pointed out that seems to conflict the advice from jorneto: https://impetus.darkbb.com/t1003-main-unit-and-support-unit-in-second-combat#8239
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Post by jorneto Sat May 14, 2022 4:53 pm

I'm not seeing it! Can you explain?

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Post by Sun of York Sun May 15, 2022 2:45 am

Might be best if I post the content from the Facebook post.
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I hope that helps. It is not to do with the bonus, but whether units can be main in one combat and then support in another after they defeat their opponent.
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Post by jorneto Sun May 15, 2022 7:06 pm

Precisely. I don't see any rule conflict.
B can give support to A, except if Y stayed in place.

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Post by Sun of York Mon May 16, 2022 2:59 am

I think I get it. Have more games coming up so I will be able to check my understanding then.
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