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PARAITKENE 317BC

Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:17 am by ejc

Our group will be putting on the above battle at Cavalier 2020 on sunday …

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Basic Impetus demos @ Fall In

Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:17 pm by GriffonsLair

Griffons Lair will be doing demos all weekend of Basic Impetus in our booth at …

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Battle of Harzhorn Salute 2019

Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:13 pm by ejc

Our group is putting on the above at the EXcell Centre London being the SAlute …

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The Illiad = The Wrath of Achilles

Thu May 09, 2019 12:41 pm by ejc

We will be putting this game on at one of the Autumn shorws probably Colours or …

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The Battle of Apamea at Hotlead

Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:50 am by Gaius Cassius

Hotlead is Canada's leading Miniature Wargames Convention. It is held in 2019 …

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BI2 tournament - 12 May 2018 - CANCELLED

Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:26 am by RogerC

EDIT I am very sorry, but I’ve had to CANCEL this tournament. I’ve …

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Post by stecal on Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:58 pm

I think the rules for veteran and elite need to be rethought. Negating hits in all cases is just too powerful. Perhaps negate 1 hit only when fresh or negate the 1 hit AFTER the cohesion test?

I had a problem today in a melee with 2 beatup veteran units fighting each other. With only 2-4 dice each, a single hit is often the best you can do, but with the hit negation the melee just keeps ending in draws

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Post by stecal on Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:35 pm

After 2 games we have come to the conclusion that the veteran & elite rules are not working. They just break too many parts of the fire, melee & CT game mechanisms.

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Post by dadiepiombo on Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:11 pm

ok, thank you for feedback.

Well they are powerful, but consider
1) they are in limited numbers
2) they have the same VBU of less trained troops, or better, less trained troops can benefit of the same VBU of veterans as too low VBU would make them not enough string to sustain melees.
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Post by dadiepiombo on Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:19 pm

stecal wrote:I had a problem today in a melee with 2 beatup veteran units fighting each other. With only 2-4 dice each, a single hit is often the best you can do, but with the hit negation the melee just keeps ending in draws

One option could be that the rule for Veteran/Elite doesn't work if Veteran/Elite is firing or in melee. I mean in case of 2 Veterans in melee or a Veteran shot at by another Veteran, then no bonus.
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Post by stecal on Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:17 pm

Well half the Zulu list is veteran.


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Post by Tromolone on Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:46 am

In the napoleonic sample lists I found veterans with the same VBU of Elites, not Trained units..
However, I have not yet tried the game but I could suggest trying to reverse the bonuses, so that only Elite units can benefit from the "first hit cancellation bonus".

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Post by dadiepiombo on Wed Dec 04, 2019 3:56 pm

thanks, I'll take note.
With the new year I plan to give a refresh to the rules.
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