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Warfare battle of Cunaxa

Wed Nov 08, 2023 11:26 pm by ejc

Sorry for short notice we are putting on the above scenario on Saturday 11th …

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Ilipa 206BC Society of Ancients Battle Day

Tue Mar 19, 2024 12:54 pm by ejc

This year's SOA Battle Day is Ilipa206BC will be about a dozen games all re …

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SELWG 2023 Thapsus 46BC

Sun Oct 08, 2023 8:29 pm by ejc

We will putting on the above game at SELG 2023 on Sunday 15th October. Forum …

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Colours 2023

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Sorry for very short notice. We are putting on a game at colours on Saturday …

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Sat Jan 28, 2023 2:49 pm by jorneto

Any Impetus games in this event?

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Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:15 pm by ejc

Sorry for the short notice.
Our group is attending this event in Newbury on …

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Post by pw4379 Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:13 pm

I am looking to re-fight some of the Battles of the Second Punic War and started by having a look at Zama.

In terms of the infantry it seems that both sides deployed in three ranks and that during the battle at various points the lines were exchanged.

I am wondering how this will work under Impetus rules?

Obviously the Roman line relief rule will allow their first two lines to exchange, but what about the third (Tiarii) rank?

For the Carthaginians I was thinking that the first rank might be FL troops so that the second rank might pass through at suitable opening, but I would have thought the second and third ranks would both be FP so not allowing interpenetration.

Also the accounts I have read suggest that the Carthaginian line moved to the sides of the rank behind. Does not seem possible under the rules?

And opening the ranks for elephants?

Of course I understand that a wargame cannot replicate all real life situations but I would be interested in peoples thoughts.



Thanks

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Post by dadiepiombo Tue Nov 17, 2015 1:59 pm

I read somewhere that Scipio at Zama adopeted a more linear formation at Zama, streching his front. I know this is not what most reports say, butI like that interpretation.
When playing an historical battle you can create special scenaro rules. You can let the exchange of formation also for the Triarii, while for Elephants Scipio created some corridors screened by Skirmishers.
One option to be stick to the rules could be to form Large Units with Hastati and Principes intemingles by S with Elephants on the rear and allow Triarii with D=A to move sideways and fill the gaps.

Same for Elite Punic foot with D=A that can move sideways.
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Post by pw4379 Tue Nov 17, 2015 7:46 pm

Thanks for the ideas

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Post by Jim Webster Tue Nov 17, 2015 10:17 pm

Zama was refought under several rule sets at a Society of Ancients Battle day back in 2010.

http://soa.org.uk/joomla/battle-day/48-battle-day-2010-zama-202-bc

for the briefing about the battle which you might find useful
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Post by pw4379 Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:40 pm

Thanks for the info.

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Post by GamesPoet Mon Nov 23, 2015 3:47 pm

I like Lorenzo's comments regarding adding special scenario rules for historical refights.

And thanks for the link ot the SoA refights!

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