28mm Impetus Competition York Sunday 5th February 2017

IMPORTANT ORGANISERS UPDATE - THE DRAW

As is traditional the first round draw will be gerrymandered to try to ensure you don't end up playing against the same old faces from your local club. To allow this I need to know who plays regularly against who, so please shout out now so I can make suitable arrangements. I'm also going to try and put the more experienced competition players into a pool so they will only play each other in round 1 - after that the scoring system will decide the draw. If Round 3 results in some "regular" match ups and the results won't impact on overall standings I'll be happy to make "suitable" adjustments if everyone is ok with that.

The aim of the competition is to have a good time and meet up with other Impetus players, so I'm going be awarding a prize for 1st place, then one for Best Camp as voted for by the players. After that the other prizes will (probably) be allocated on a lottery basis, to give everyone a chance of being rewarded for their attendance. I say probably because some of the sponsors may wish to put restrictions on their prizes.

Lastly - Peer review. Could everyone reading this take five extra minutes to grab a copy of Extra Impetus and check over some of the lists already posted, just to make sure we have no errors, and let us know which you have looked at?

Cheers

Ken

Hopefully I should get my hoplites finished for next week ......so here is my list

Magna Graecia Vol 2 List 8
Average Command Structure
3 Rolls of Destiny
1 Exploration Points

Command 1 (Fair)
1 double based hoplite block * (FP), upgraded to VBU 6 , VD5 28+17 pts
2 double based hoplite block (FP), Downgraded to D=C , VD4 16+12 pts each
1 Italian Ally (FL), VBU 4, VD1, 20pts
1 javelinmen (S), VBU 2, VD1, 12pts
VDT 15 Break 8

Command 2 (Fair)
1 double based hoplite block * (FP), upgraded to VBU 6 , VD5 28+17 pts
1 double based hoplite block (FP), Downgraded to D=C , VD4 16+12 pts each
1 Italian Ally (FL), VBU 4, VD1, 20pts
1 Light Cavalry (CL), VBU 3, VD1, 21pts
VDT 11 Break 6

Command 3 (Fair)
1 Cavalry* (CM) Updraded to VBU 5, VD3, 23pts
2 Light Cavalry (CL), VBU 3, VD1, 21pts
VDT 5 Break 3

Good luck to all and looking forward to seeing everyone on Sunday

Peer review:

I've looked at Shaun R, JR2, Memnon and Incendiary Pig, all good to go as far as I can see.

This is looking to be a great competition.

Hi Ken
I normally regularly play against Paul Harrison and Jon Webb
cheers
Shaun R

I'm new to competitions and none of my regular opponents have entered .

Hi Memnon, I am new to Impetus competitions as well. From what I have heard, it is a welcoming group.

ONE day left to get those lists posted Gentlemen - please hurry up!

Hi Ken, here's the list... one S unit to finish so will be ready in plenty of time. BTW my name is Robertson, not Robinson... no idea who that other guy is, could you amend the list?
Cheers
Dax

Numidians Vol 5 List 6
Poor Command Structure 0pts
3 Rolls of Destiny 15pts
1 Exploration Points 1pts

Command 1 (Expert General)    30pts
1* (CIC) Cavalry (CL), upgraded to VBU 4, VD=3, 23pts
5 Cavalry (CL), upgraded to VBU 4, VD=2, 115pts (6x23)
1 Cavalry (CL) VBU 3, VD=1, 21pts
3 Javelinmen (FL) VBU 4, VD=1, 42pts (3x14)

VD = 17 Break 9

Command 2 (Poor) 10pts
1* Cavalry (CL), upgraded to VBU 4, VD=3, 23pts
4 Cavalry (CL), upgraded to VBU 4, VD=2, 92pts (x23)
2 Javelinmen (FL) VBU 4, VD=1, 28pts (2x14)
VD = 13 Break 7

VDT = 30 Break = 15

MIDDLE REPBUBLICAN ROMANS 264B.C – 164 B.C
Nr Unit M VBU I D VD Pts Notes
COMMAND LEGION ONE
1 CS 12 Average
2 Reroll of destiny 10
5 Exploration points 5
1 General (c-in-c) 20 Fair
2 FP Veteran Gauls 5 5 4 C 4 32 Impetuous
2 FP Gauls (rear ranks) 5 4 4 C 2 18 Impetuous
1 FP Hastati* 5 6 2 A 3 33 Pilum
1 FP Principes 5 6 2 A 3 33 Pilum
1 S Velites 8 3 0 B 1 14 Javelin

VDT 13 177

COMMAND LEGION TWO
1 General (sub) 20 Fair
1 FL Illyrians 8 4 1 B 1 19 Javelin
1 FP Hastati* 5 6 2 A 3 33 Pilum
1 FP Principes 5 6 2 A 3 33 Pilum
1 S Velites 8 3 0 B 1 14 Javelin

VDT 8 119

COMMAND THREE
1 General (sub) 20 Fair
1 FP Triarii* 5 6 2 A 3 33 Long Spear
1 CL Numidians 12 4 1 B 2 23 Javelin
2 S Cretans 8 3 0 B 2 28 ShortBow-B

VDT 7 104


NOTES.
TOTAL ARMY VDT = 28 TOTAL ARMY POINTS = 400

Hi Dax - sorry - brain fade - fixed

Cheers Ken, appreciated.... *slight amendment has been made to list to meet the correct command balance.

This is from James Irvin ATTILA'S WESTERN HUNS (433-453 AD) (Volume 9)
                             
Command Structure – Average 12    
Rolls of Destiny X3                       15          
Scouting Points X10                     10                                                                        

Command 1 Total VD 14 Break Point 7
Expert General                30  
2xCM Nobles*                 64    
4XCL Mounted Archers   108

Command 2 Total VD 18 Break Point 9
Fair General                                  20                                                                      
6XFP Reluctant German Warriors Front Rank 54
6XFP Reluctant German Warriors Rear Rank  421
2XCP Ostrogoths, Gepids or Sciri*  42
VDT 32 Break Point 16

Hey all,
My Thracian army will comprise;

Command 1

4x Peltasts w/javelin, FL 4/2 VD 1 @20pts each = 80 tps
1x Peltasts w/ Rhomphaia, Fair CinC attached, FL 6/3 VD 3 @ 48 pts
1x Noble cavalry, with attached peltasts CM 6/3 VD 3 @ 33 pts
1x Light Cavalry w/ javelin, CL upgraded to 4/1, VD2 @ 23 pts

VD Total 12, break = 6, Points = 184

Command 2

4x Peltasts w/ javelin, FL 4/2, VD 1 @20 pts each = 80 pts
1x Peltast w/ Rhomphaia, Fair general attacged, FL 6/3 VD 3 @ 48 pts
1x Noble Cavalry, with attached peltasts CM 6/3, VD 3 @ 33 pts
1x Light Cavalry, w/ javelin, CL 3/1 VD 1 @ 21 pts

VD Total 11, break = 6, Points = 182

Army Total VD =23, break - 12, points = 366
Average Command Structure = 12 pts =378
3 x Dice of Destiny = 15 pts = 392
Scouting Points = 8 = 400 pts total

Cyall at the weekend,

Paul H

Just a quick note about missing lists - I'm aware of two players at least who are having account issues with the forum so are struggling to post their armies.

Andy Walls has sent me his list on a whizzy spreadsheet thing that I cant really post here but it looks something like this assuming I can transcribe it :-)

2nd Punic Wars Carthaginian
Good CS
2 ROD
1 Exploration

Command 1 Genius C in C
2 Lybian Veterans*
2 LU Veteran Gauls
1 Spanish Caetrati
1 Lybian Javelinmen
VDT 12 Break 6

Command 2 Fair
1 Spanish Cavalry*
2 Numidian Cavalry
1 Oscan FL
1 Ligurian FL
VDT 10 Break 5

Command 3 Poor
1 Numidian Cavalry*
1 Numidian Cavalry
VDT 5 Break 3

Army VDT 27 Break 14

Quick q for Frazer \ Dax - I know you used to play regularly but unsure now - do you want to be in different pools so you miss one another in round 1?

Hi Guys. Here's my Ancient Brits for York Leigh

A.Brits Vol 2 List 12 Poor Command Structure 3 Rolls of Destiny 4 Exploration Points

Command 1 (Charismatic) 1 Large Unit Warriors FL 1st Rank Veteran General /2nd Rank Warriors, VBU5, VD3, C – 16 + 9 pts 2 Large Unit Warriors FL 1st Rank Veteran /2nd Rank Warriors, VBU5, VD2 C – 16 + 9 pts 1 Large Unit Warriors FL 1st Rank Warriors /2nd Rank Warriors, VBU4, VD2 C– 12 + 9 pts 2 Light Cav CL (Javs) VBU3, VD2 B – 21 pts Slingers S VBU2 VD1 B 12pts VDT 45 Break 11

Command 2 (Poor) 1 Large Unit Warriors FL 1st Rank Veteran General /2nd Rank Warriors, VBU5, VD3, C – 16 + 9 pts 1 Large Unit Warriors FL 1st Rank Warriors /2nd Rank Warriors, VBU4, VD2 – 12 + 9 pts VDT 18 Break 5
Command 3 (Poor) 1 Large Unit Warriors FL 1st Rank Veteran General 2nd Rank Warriors, VBU5, VD3, C – 16 + 9 pts 1 Large Unit Warriors FL 1st Rank Veteran /2nd Rank Warriors, VBU5, VD2 C – 16 + 9 pts 1 Large Unit Warriors FL 1st Rank Warriors /2nd Rank Warriors, VBU4, VD2 C– 12 + 9 pts 2 Light Cav CL (Javs) VBU3, VD2 B – 21 pts 1 Slingers S VBU2 VD1 B 12pts VDT 37 Break 9

Army Demoralisation 49 Army Break Point 25

And Chris Coles has also sent me his Ancient British list

Command Structure Poor
3 Rolls of Destiny

Command 1
Charismatic C-in C
5 Cavalry* FL
VDT11 Break 6

Command 2
Poor General
3 Veteran Warriors*
2 Warriors
5 rear rank warriors
VDT 21 Break 11

Command 3
Poor General
2 Veteran Warriors*
2 Warriors
4 rear rank warriors
VDT 17 Break 9

Army VDT 50 Break 25

Cyrus The Adequate wrote:Quick q for Frazer \ Dax - I know you used to play regularly but unsure now - do you want to be in different pools so you miss one another in round 1?

I have no preference, Ken, I haven't played Frazer @ Impetus for a while, so no need to make an exception on my account.
Manana
Dax

RIGHT GENTS

Using a complicated system of pools and tables so as to ensure players do not meet their regular opponents. under strict invigilation from my cat Greebo, plus wearing the traditional white gloves, the draw for the Vapnartak Impetus Competition 2017 was conducted this morning.

With no further ado -

THE DRAW FOR ROUND ONE

Andy Walls vs Frazer Watson
Ken Natt vs Dax Robertson
Mark Hadman vs James Irvin
Paul Davison vs Tony Denis
Steven Johnson vs John Ryan
Fred Taylor vs Pete Anderson
Chris Coles vs Shaun Rimmer
Jamie White vs Jon Webb
LeighBrewster vs Paul Harrison

Good Luck all

Round 2 & 3 will be decided based on results as usual. We will be using the traditional 130 point scoring system btw.

Hi Cyrus
Has Fred posted his Army ?. I can't see a Thessalian army list.
Cheers
( would like to know what I'm up against not that it will make much difference!)

Sorry - Fred and Ste have been caught in the Forum glitch - here they are

Fred

Average command, 3 rolls of destiny, 5 exploration

CinC level 1
1x CM Thessalian nobles @30pts
2x CL Thessalian cavalry @21pts
19%

General 1 level 3
FP Allied hoplites general FR @22pts
FP allied hoplites FR @22pts
FP allied hoplites RR x3 @ 17pts
2x S FL peltasts @ 20pts
1x S Javelinmen @12pts
59%

General 2 level 2
1x FP Thessalian hoplites FR @22pts
1x as above rear rank @13pts
1xFL peltasts @ 20pts
1x S slingers @ 12pts
22%

400pts

Ste

Early imperial romans

Average command, 3 rolls of destiny, 2 exploration

CinC- level 3
3 legionary bases inc general @ 28pts
3 S Sagiatarii bases @ 12 pts
1 FL Mauri base @21pts
48%

General 1 level 2
2x fp veteran legionary including general @ 34pts
1 x CL mauri @ 21pts
26%

General 3 level 2
1x cm alares general @ 23pts
1x T Sagittarii @18pts
2 Art Scorpio @ 15pts
26%

400pts

cheers

OK Gents, a last few points before we set off and in no particular order

Firstly please ensure you get there on time - ideally around 9-9:15 as I would very much like to stick to the 9:30 start. If you are going to be late or for some reason will be a no show please let me know on 07411082490

Terrain. Mark Hadman, Asgard Wargames and the Hartlepool Wargames Club are kindly providing some competition terrain however if your cunning plan for domination relies on a certain terrain piece of a certain size please bring it yourself.

Prizes
There will be a prize for Best Camp and Best Painted Army, plus an overall winners prize. Other prizes will be allocated at random to thank folks for attending. We have some VERY generous sponsors this year so if you are planning on spending any pocket money have a look at their wares or at least be nice and thank them for their support.

Lunch. We have an hour for lunch and shopping. There has been no diktat from YWS so I assume the usual rules apply - you can bring your own as long as you dispose of the refuse and don't cause a mess. I should add there is a very nice cafe down stairs and a bar should you require such. Time and location mitigate against going off site so either bring a packed lunch or use the cafe.

Umpires. This year we have no "spare" to act as umpire as we have even numbers and I would like to play too :-). What I propose is that we designate a couple of "senior" players to act as umpires should they be required. These are me, Frazer Watson and Mark Hadman. Please remember these guys are playing too so try and resolve your issues by discussion or amicably before calling on a ruling from on high. If you do require an umpire decision please understand we are all fallible and if we make a decision that turns out to be wrong accept it and abide by it for the moment and then we can have red faces later later :-)

Playing your games. This is the important one. Competitions can bring out the best and the worst in gamers. Could I ask everyone to remember it is at the end just a game and to treat everyone civilly and with respect. I don't expect we will have any issues as we are on the whole a fairly mellow group, but doesn't hurt to restate it.  

The Public. Yes those irritating buggers will be wandering around throughout the day so if you do get some at your table take a moment to explain what's going on. You never know where our next convert will come from.

Game Etiquette. To avoid confusion could I please ask everyone to follow the following game etiquette.

1 introduce your troops after set up - a simple "these are xyz with whatever". All troops should be representative but with some of Impetus bases being similar and basing conventions being what they are it is worth doing. Similarly point out which general is which and what their ratings are.

2. Explain your markers and loss recording system. Some of us use dials, some dice etc. Explain what your system is and particularly if you count up or down - ie is that dice showing a 5 losses taken or VBU remaining? :-)

3. Explain your moves and intent, and please don't just roll dice then explain "oh that was my discipline check" after. Also remember if you intend to add a charge bonus to a move you should announce this BEFORE the move is taken. This is particularly important as we have some less experienced players this year, who I hope will enjoy the games enough to come back next time. Getting beat is one thing, getting beat AND not understanding what just happened is neither fun nor a learning experience and is likely to put people off.

4. Dice - agree what is cocked and what is not before you start. If you are using bespoke dice with symbols point out if these are 1s or 6s in advance.

5. Don't throw it. When you are in a hopeless situation it is sometimes easy to think about throwing in the towel and getting a cup of tea. Please don't. If you give one player an easy win then that is unfair on the others. Play it to the conclusion, take a hit for the team.

6 Finishing early. If you do finish early feel free to wander off but only AFTER you have filled in the result on your sheets and handed it in. Please ensure you are back and ready for the start of the next round. Of course you could also do a tea \ coffee run if you want - mine is tea, milk, no sugar :-)

Bring a spare copy of your army list to show the opposition

Bring some paper and a pen

That's probably about it. The main thing is we all have fun and enjoy our games

See you tomorrow

Ken

Thanks for organising a great event Ken, a great venue with a great group of players.

Hope to see you at the Derby event if it happens.

Cheers