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Post by plessiez Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:10 am


When playing Impetus 2 are the Italian Wars lists in extra impetus 1 still valid? What about the changes for "New upgrades for the Italian Wars" in "Impetus upgrade" to allow their front ranks to be upgraded? Is that a change designed for version 1 or is that still valid for version 2? I feel that with the changes to how Impetus bonus is lost in Impetus 2 that increasing the strength of the front rank is less relevant now?

I feel that the Italian Wars experience went through many changes in Impetus 1 as the lists were amended but also there were changes to large units of FP, Pike, their interaction with CP, as the target of shooting etc. Italian Wars is the main period I play Impetus for so I want to know what is the intended experience for Impetus 2.

Thanks in advance.

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Post by stecal Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:13 pm

Also interested.  Italian Wars is what got me into Impetus.  Also would like to see Italian Wars lists extended to 1550s with early reiters, etc.

I doubt the front rank increase will go away.  That upgrade is more about passing CT tests than combat power

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Post by Gaius Cassius Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:21 pm

I think the Italian War lists in EI1 with the amended upgrades in EI2 are on solid ground. So unless Lorenzo completely changes his approach (which seems doubtful to me) and moves in the direction of Baroque with respect to ratings I don't see big changes in the stats. The upgrades to the front ranks of pike is critical for the functioning of these units.
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Post by plessiez Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:41 pm

The reason I ask is that the later changes to pike seemed to me like a band-aid to fix issues with how they functioned in the core rules. Since we're on new rules I wondered if they would work out of the gate without additional changes.  

I haven't read Impetus 2 yet but I'm assuming changes in Impetus 1 like "3 rank units of FP get a cohesion bonus vs shooting" and other changes to boost pike blocks are already factored into the Impetus 2 core rules somehow?

Also if, as reported by some other posters, shooting is a bit weaker the pike blocks may not need that extra help in this ruleset.

Thanks.

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Post by Gaius Cassius Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:02 am

The change in VBU of the front rank of a large unit is a big deal in Impetus (as you may know.) Moving the front rank from VBU 4 to 5 or 5 to 6 in EI2 updates for the EI1 Italian War Pike units simply brings these lists into conformity with there general approach to pike units found in EI3 and 4. It would take a revolutionary approach to the rules to see these ratings change. I don't see that in Impetus 2.
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Post by plessiez Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:24 pm

Ok, thanks. Fair enough. I've not looked at any of the extra impetus books after impetus 1 so I've not seen how later lists of pike have been handled.

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