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Post by flaminpig0 on Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:07 am

Hello

Very new to Baroque but reading the lists i wondered if the 30 point CL in Polish and Ottomans have bow?

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Post by Jim Webster on Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:54 am

I'm assuming you mean those in the rule book?

I pointed them up and at 30 points they don't have bow.

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Post by flaminpig0 on Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:50 am

To be honest I just wanted an excuse to use the now armed Tatar figures I have.

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Post by Jim Webster on Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:35 pm

I'd still use them, just don't count them as bow armed Wink
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Post by frostydog on Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:18 pm

I was wondering that about the Ottoman CL Delis. The Feudal Sipahis have pistol/carbine with a bow option so I assumed the same was the case with the Delis but with bow accidentally left off the list.

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Post by Jim Webster on Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:57 am

I think the idea was that Delis were more shock cavalry that horse archer/skirmisher types.

There army lists seem to have missed out the Akinji who could have bows, but I'd like to hear Lorenzo's point first. But looking at the factors, whilst pistol/carbine on a horse is only at point blank, it's more likely to do damage than a bow and it does encourage the Delis and Akinji tactics of getting really close as shock cavalry
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Post by frostydog on Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:02 am

But then if they were more shock cavalry then they would have a higher impetus value.

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Post by Jim Webster on Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:05 am

frostydog wrote:But then if they were more shock cavalry then they would  have a higher impetus value.

They've a VBU of 4, which is only one less than some Feudal Sipahis. They're about as good as it gets for CL
3 dice shooting on the way in is not to be sneered at
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Post by frostydog on Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:34 am

I maybe missing something here. I am talking about the CL Delis without carbine or pistol so what are they shooting with?

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Post by Jim Webster on Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:47 am

nothing
Depending on how you see Delis, you can make a choice.
You can pay the extra four points and have them with pistol/carbine which might give them a bit more shock
Or you can decide that you see them as something less powerful and you can have them without anything.

As an aside, the bow option would also cost 4 points but it would make them less powerful light shock cavalry
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Post by frostydog on Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:17 pm

They are not compulsory so not to much to worry about.
Anyway an interesting one to research.
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