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Tuaregs Army List Proposal

Post by Elasmotherium on Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:08 pm

Hi all.
There is no Tuareg list and seeing as I have over 90 of the little guys I figured I'd give a go at trying to create a list. My biggest issue however would be getting ratios right.

For BI 2 I was thinking the Ihaggaren "aristocracy" would be best represented by CM Impetuous VBU5 I3 VD3 Camel; the Imrad vassal class of camel lancers by CM Impetuous VBU4 I3 VD2 Camel; Imrad vassal infantry as FL VBU4 I2 VD2 Javelin Impetuous (Similar to Aztec line infantry stats due to the similarity in battlefield roles and accounts of their tactics , I have elected Javelin over PBW as there are occasions where they did shower enemies with projectiles and in addition they were quite vulnerably to being charged); Iklan Skirmishers S VBU2 I0 VD1 Javelin. FL would be able to form large units. Though camel scouts are attested their numbers are so small as to not be visible as units at this scale.

For the list i propose:
Tuareg (circa 1000AD- circa1900AD
4 Ihaggaren CM* VBU5 I3 VD3 Camel, Impetuous
4 Imrad Vassals CM VBU4 I3 VD2 Camel, Impetuous
Option 1
Replace 2 Imrad Vassal CM and 1 Ihaggaren CM with:
4 Imrad Vassal Foot FL VBU4 I2 VD2 Impetuous, Javelin
Option 2
Replace 2 Imrad Vassal Foot FL or 2 Imrad Vassals CM with
4 Iklan Serfs S VBU2 I0 VD1 Javelin
Option 3
Replace 2 Iklan S with 2 Initiative Rerolls

Criticism highly appreciated.

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Re: Tuaregs Army List Proposal

Post by jorneto on Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:52 pm

I don't know enough to comment on the troop types, but as regards the list it has too few units.
It might look like the one below.

Tuareg 1000AD-1900AD
Ihaggaren           3 CM(*) 10 5 3 3 Camel, Impetuous
Imrad Vassals      4 CM 10 4 3 2 Camel, Impetuous
Imrad Vassal Foot 3 FL 8 4 2 2 Javelin Impetuous
Iklan Serfs           3 S 8 2 0 1 Javelin

1st option: change 3 FL and 3 S with:
Ihaggaren            2 CM(*) 10 5 3 3 Impetuous
Imrad Vassals        3 CM 10 4 3 2 Impetuous

2nd option: change 1 Imrad CM with:
Iklan Serfs           2 S 8 2 0 1 Javelin

3rd option:
Change 1 S for 2 initiative rerolls

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Re: Tuaregs Army List Proposal

Post by jorneto on Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:26 pm

And also the VD's are not correct.
Ihaggaren           2   (3 with the general)
Imrad Vassals      1
Imrad Vassal Foot 2
Iklan Serfs           1

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Re: Tuaregs Army List Proposal

Post by Elasmotherium on Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:17 am

Hi. Thanks for the input. Can you elaborate as to why the Imrad Vassal and Imrad Vassal Foot have different VD (they are essentially the same caste mounted and on foot? The baseline army should not include foot as these were only occasionally used (generally when defending mountain strongholds) and largely outside the period covered by BI. Most often the armies raiding other West African nations consist entirely of camel mounted lancers and swordsmen.

One thing that has cropped up in a test of this list is that perhaps CP2 would better represent the impetuous nature and movement (no oblique without Disorder). Though they carried large hide shields I do not feel CP1 is justified.

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Re: Tuaregs Army List Proposal

Post by jorneto on Wed Dec 20, 2017 12:57 pm

Same list but moving infantry to options:

Tuareg 1000AD-1900AD
Ihaggaren           5 CM(*) 10 5 3 2 Camel, Impetuous
Imrad Vassals      7 CM 10 4 3 1 Camel, Impetuous

1st option: change 2 Ihaggaren CM and 3 Imrad CM with:
Imrad Vassal Foot 3 FL 8 4 2 2 Javelin Impetuous
Iklan Serfs           3 S 8 2 0 1 Javelin

2nd option: change 1 Imrad CM with:
Iklan Serfs           2 S 8 2 0 1 Javelin

3rd option:
Change 1 S for 2 initiative rerolls

VD on BI2 has specific rules that give its value. For instance, VBU 4 units have VD=1 except when they have a weapon or are a large unit. In that case VD becomes 2.
Similar rule for VBU 5. VD2 if simple, VD3 otherwise.
And of course, all VD3 if with a general.

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Re: Tuaregs Army List Proposal

Post by Elasmotherium on Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:04 am

Where might I find those rules for value of you don't mind? Thanks that has been super helpful.

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Re: Tuaregs Army List Proposal

Post by jorneto on Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:46 pm

As BI2 is an all included package, there is not much need to share info like that. But here it goes.

VD=3: VBU6 or higher; VBU5 with Weapon or in a Large Unit; includes a General
VD=2: VBU5; VBU4 with Weapon or in a Large Unit
VD=1: VBU4; VBU3; VBU2
VD=0: CF

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